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Something To Find In Greece
August 5, 2010
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I might be going to Greece (Parga) on holiday.

There's a river fairly close by and maybe I can find some ponds as well. I can see on Fishbase that there's quite a few gobys and loaches in Greece but I wondered about the chance of finding Apahnius species there as well?

If anyone has anyntips or pointers they are very welcome to share /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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August 5, 2010
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Hey Kim there's supposed to be a population of Valencia letourneuxi in the Thyamis River just north of Parga. I'll check my papers when I get home from work for more information on this and possible Aphanius fasciatus localities in the area.

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August 5, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Aug 5 2010, 02:12 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Kim there's supposed to be a population of Valencia letourneuxi in the Thyamis River just north of Parga. I'll check my papers when I get home from work for more information on this and possible Aphanius fasciatus localities in the area.

Aph. fasciatus I was expecting might pop up but that other one looks interesting as well!

Anyone know if they're illegal to collect?

I know aquarium fish are free to travel across the borders of Europe as long as they're not on the red list and not able to survive in tha countries they are taken into...but does that go for fish collected in the wild as well?

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August 5, 2010
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It seems that Valencia letourneuxi in red-listed...but it would be nice to see a live one on the photobox before releasing it back into the river /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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August 5, 2010
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Yes its listed as critically endangered but it would be VERY nice to see a live one. We have a handful of V. hispanica populations left here in Spain and the males are gorgeous this time of year. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

You might be ok with the Aphanius...unsure about the Greek governments stance on collecting though.

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August 5, 2010
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Thank Matt /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

If you are able to dig up more info on locations/species please feel free to post.

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August 19, 2010
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As you know Kim, there should be a change to get captive breed Valencia letourneuxi from me. However, should you find some, please take photos of the fish and their habitat and chare it with us!
But dont collect any. They are becomming hopelesly rare.

Martin

August 19, 2010
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Hi Martin very cool that you have this species. How large do adults get if you don't mind me asking? Some of the V. hispanica adults I've seen in nature must measure close to 150 mm TL!

Kim, apologies - totally forgot to reply. Maybe you'll find this useful. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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August 19, 2010
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Well. 6 cm? Maybe slightly larger. Not to say. I do breed a lot of killifish, goodeids etc, but I usual dont see any endsize as I keep my stock young.

Sounds rather large for a Valencia. Sure it wasnt a Fundulus?

Martin

August 19, 2010
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Shure Martin, I know where to go if I decide to get some /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

But as you mentiones on AV they are different in demands compared to other killies...I might be more of a Rivulus/Aphyosemion/Aplocheilus guy...more suitable for the same water as my Corys.

If I happen to stumble over some Gambusia I might bring home a trio or something.

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August 19, 2010
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QUOTE (Martin Tversted @ Aug 19 2010, 07:09 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds rather large for a Valencia. Sure it wasnt a Fundulus?

Yes I'm sure - Aphanius iberus is found at the same location. Perhaps 150 mm is excessive but some of the females were well over 120 mm. There are no Fundulus this far north although apparently they've made it to the Ebro delta now. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> Some pics:

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August 25, 2010
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Very nice px, thank you for showing them. Now we need Kims pixs also /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Maybe you can find the new species kim?

Martin

August 31, 2010
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Well...no killies...but in the Acheron River I caught loads of these fish...I left them in the river as I had no idea what they were or how big they got...and given the fact that they were caught in fast flowing, cold and oxygen rich water I though they might not make 4 days in a coke bottle in a warm hotelroom...

But I took home some plants; a mossy-thingy groing pn the rocks in the fast current and some plastic-looking small green stuff that growed in the slow backwaters.

Any ideas on ID of fish and pkants is welcome /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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August 31, 2010
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Really cool. Love seeing these kind of pics.

September 1, 2010
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Plant 1 looks like Ceratophyllum, plant 2 looks like Fontinalis (don't take my word on these...).
The fish could be a young Squalius or something cool like a Pseudophoxinus.

September 1, 2010
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QUOTE (coelacanth @ Sep 1 2010, 01:16 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Plant 1 looks like Ceratophyllum, plant 2 looks like Fontinalis (don't take my word on these...).
The fish could be a young Squalius or something cool like a Psedudophoxinus.

I'd think Psedudophoxinus of those two...but wich species I have no idea. The fish is probably juvenile wich makes it more difficult.

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