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Steatocranus Casuarius
June 27, 2008
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Since seeing the S. tinanti in Brian's shop (Penshaw Aquatics, well worth a visit people /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />), I've been thinking fairly seriously about a setup for them.

I understand they're reophillic; that's no problem. I'm just wondering what to put with them. I've been looking at the Alestiidae tetras and quite like the look of the African Red-eyed Tetra. How compatible are they? I'll be really throwing the water around in that tank.

June 27, 2008
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What size is the tank mate? A. spilopterus get pretty big and are right nippy sods in my experience.

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June 27, 2008
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Only a three footer, so nowt huge. Knew there was something I'd forgotten to mention /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

June 27, 2008
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We-ell I reckon maybe some Alestopetersius, commonest species is Yellow-tailed Congo tetra A. caudalis (if you can find nigropterus which is the one in my avatar I may have to kill you /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="<_ <" border="0" alt="dry.gif"> ) or African barbs of some kind would be better choices mate. Those red-eyes can be quite boisterous and greedy at feeding time and might look a bit cramped in a 3-footer.

Also you don´t need to create tons of water flow like in a hillstream loach tank for Steatocranus. I´ve kept casuarius and they´re a bit like the Teleocichla I had in that they tend to stay out of the main water flow unless feeding. They prefer stiller areas the rest of the time but will appreciate some flow. An internal or external filter that´s rated for a tank a size or two above yours should do the job and that´ll give you more options for potential tankmates too. Just make sure the water´s really well-oxygenated by using a venturi or adding an airstone or two. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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June 27, 2008
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Cheers Mr Ford. The filter in there is already OTT aaannnddd I've got an air pump in for the fry, so it's all good /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Might have a look at the barbs, never kept any kind of barb before /ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> Any recommendations?

Brian had a couple of female A. caudalis in and I did wonder if your avatar was a similar species. The fish in your avatar is particularly stunning, I certainly wouldn't say no. It'd be like the peacock gobies all over again... /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Is a rocky setup alright, or should I be looking at something else?

June 27, 2008
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Rocky set-up perfect. Try to get proper rounded river rocks if you can and use a mix of sand and gravel as substrate. I hate that tufa stuff. You could chuck in a few plant pots or something if you can´t get enough rocks to form a decent network of caves which ideally they should have.

My recommendations would be Barbus fasciolatus aka Barbus barilioides (second name now invalid and our pics REALLY don´t do it justice) or Barbus jae (see pic below) but that´s only because they´re the only two Africans I´ve kept. I´m sure Mick or someone will have some other ideas. Should be a really nice little set-up whatever you choose mate. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Ps - just don´t mention the bloody peacock goby fiasco... /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="<_ <" border="0" alt="dry.gif">

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June 27, 2008
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That Barbus jae looks bloody gorgeous.

Cheers Matt, will keep this updated. If Brian can't get casuarius in, Trimar have them in stock. Have e-mailed asking for pics.. I'm pretty set on this now I think /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

June 27, 2008
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Why not try tinanti, by the way?

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June 27, 2008
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I looked at both species a while back but it was the pictures of the casuarius that really got me interested in the first place. This picture = godlike:

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June 27, 2008
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Lol, cool /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Here´s a slightly better pic of fasciolatus in terms of showing you the colours, taken from Fishbase. The male is the more orangey fish. What you can´t see here is that at certain angles the dark bars appear a rich blue. They´re really stunning little things, especially when the males are displaying. Dead peaceful too as are the jae.

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June 27, 2008
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Yeah they are indeed a pretty little thing. TBH with the "dithers" it's a case of picking something that's available - haven't seen either species of those barbs available up here or on Trimar's list. Pah!

June 27, 2008
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Just wait for Mick, Keith et al dood, they may well be able to help on that score... /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Failing that try Wildwoods, they do mail order now and I´ve seen quite a few African barbs on their lists recently, including both those species. If you can get them some African Garra would go well in that tank too, unless you´re planning on breeding the cichlids of course.

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June 27, 2008
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sorry but i don't think either of these two sp as beautiful as they are could live with the casuarius, they're delicare b*gg*r especially the jae, fasciolatus are a bigger fish but they're pretty meek and mild fish, trouble is with the african barbs that we get most are pretty bland in the looks department, i'd go with one of the asians as they don't mind abit of roughness something like fasciatus there you have a fish with abit of colour and pattern as well as it being robust.

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June 27, 2008
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Ah good point Mick. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> I had both those in a big tank with loads of small tetras and some South American dwarf cichlids and corys and stuff. Didn´t consider that at all. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

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June 27, 2008
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QUOTE(dunc @ Jun 27 2008, 02:17 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
It'd be like the peacock gobies all over again... /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Inquiring minds want to know about the peacock gobies /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

and pertaining to your question, what about Aurelius Barbs? Puntius arulius aka
Puntius tambraparniei
They are big, very pretty, easy to sex, easy to find, and from Africa! /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

June 27, 2008
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Hahaha, peacock story for another thread perhaps....in the lounge! /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Reva please don´t decapitate me with your sword but P. tambraparniei is an Indian bugger. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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June 27, 2008
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QUOTE(Matt @ Jun 27 2008, 04:06 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hahaha, peacock story for another thread perhaps....in the lounge! /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Reva please don´t decapitate me with your sword but P. tambraparniei is an Indian b*gg*r. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />


I dont mind being Wrong /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> I'm used to it! Trouble with Intellectual People is they have no experience being wrong /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
Do they have to be African Barbs to work?

June 27, 2008
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Nah, we were just being fussy. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> That makes two of us wrong in this this thread so far. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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June 27, 2008
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QUOTE(Matt @ Jun 27 2008, 04:22 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nah, we were just being fussy. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> That makes two of us wrong in this this thread so far. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

I didnt notice anyone else being wrong...but then I wouldnt...being mostly ignorant compared to you guys..it's refreshing to read what Knowledgeable People have to say about fish. I have had Aurelius before and they are big, and peaceful and pretty when full grown.

Here we call the little fasciolatus "false Tiger barbs" but I have never had any. I am almost through with Tiger barbs....these head standers are making me nuts, looking like they are going to spin out and everyone else in the tank very happy....

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I know a good recipe if you´re interested. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" /> If you read above you´ll see my tankmate suggestions for the blockheads were a bit out as I hadn´t considered something quite obvious. /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

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