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Steatocranus Irvinei And Gobiocichla Wonderi
September 25, 2008
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Might be able to get hold of a pair of these guys..

Can't find much information other than this reasonable article. Anyone had any experience keeping them?

TheAquariumWiki suggests they like low-mid current.. but their body shape would suggest otherwise?

September 25, 2008
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I'll check the Lamboj book for ya after brekky mate.

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September 25, 2008
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Big breakfast that! /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Lamboj says that this species comes from the upper Volta river system in Ghana and that it's the only Steatocranus NOT found in the Congo river system. Males grow to 17cm, females 12. He says that "it also seems to be less rheophilic and ia a more active swimmer than its congeners".

It was originally included in Gobiochromis before being moved by Roberts and Stewart in 1976 which was doubted by some at the time. Lamboj reckons there's a good chance it'll be moved back as it has a number of unique features when compared with other Steatocranus (distribution, overlapping upper jaw, swimming style, squamation on the opercle, aggression levels). He says its aggressive with both conspecifics and other species and due to its size should only be kept in larger tanks with plenty of shelter.

The pics in the book don't look anything like other Steatocranus mate but it is a pretty fish. That do ya mate? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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September 26, 2008
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That's superb Matt thanks. Would like to avoid the overly excessive Cichlids this time round :/

Could you look up Gobiocichla wonderi for me?

September 26, 2008
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The Gobiocichla wonderi are lovely looking fish, I know someone that had these and he housed them in a tank containing piles of big rocks and cobbles and he used the same river manifold setup used in hillstream loach river tanks and they thrived.

He got them at around 3cm and they never went beyond 7cm, they could be very aggressive with each other at times but as long as their line of sight was broken with rocks they were fine. He did manage to spawn them but only ever saw a dozen or so young, I do remember him saying that they didn't seem to like the lights to bright either, when the lights were dimmed down a bit they were less shy and showed better colours.

September 26, 2008
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That actually sounds like the kind of thing I'm after /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Would love a heavy-flow tank. They're not the most instantly beautiful fish but I bet they've got tonnes of characters. Cheers Mark.

September 26, 2008
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Lamboj basically confirms what Mark said, these are quite peaceful when not breeding. Max length 12cm for males and a bit less for females. Males have longer rays in the dorsal and anal fins. He also says its an easy species to keep and breed and that it's a pair-bonding cave spawner. Habitat is given as "rapids of the upper and middle Niger system."

I reckon you could keep them in a similar set-up to the one I had my Teleocichla in dood but I'd be tempted to build one of those manifolds that Mark recommends as you'll get uni-directional flow then. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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September 26, 2008
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Yeh I think that's what I'll go for.

They're being sold in pairs.. could I get away with two or three pairs, or should I stick to one?

What am I looking at for "dither" fish? Danios etc?

September 26, 2008
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Here is the river setup I have Dunc:

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September 26, 2008
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I'd go for a group of at least 6 mate. Apparently they actually live in groups in the wild. Never thought I'd see the day when you would consider Danios but yeah they'd be perfect. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Mark, beautiful set-up mate. What lives in there?

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QUOTE (Matt @ Sep 26 2008, 05:24 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mark, beautiful set-up mate. What lives in there?

Cheers Matt - in there are:

Sewellia lineolata - spawning
Sewellia sp spotted - hopefully spawning
Acanthocobitis zonalternans - spawning
Schistura pridii - I wish /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
Tanichthys micagemmae - spawning
Boraras urupthalmoides - spawning
Cherry shrimp - breeding like wild fire

September 26, 2008
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/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Cheek Matt, always said I liked Glolights!

Will reply more when I get back from RipOffWorld.. Amy's looking for a new laptop.

September 26, 2008
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Nice stocklist! /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

Dunc Mark's got a lovely species that I think could go in your tank, the Tanichthys micagemmae. I reckon these might pose less of a danger to any young to as Danios tend to sweep the bottom with their barbels looking for food at times and might pick off some fry? Here's a super shot of one taken by CK Yeo who I'm delighted to say is about to give us a shedload of these high quality pics. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Ps - Dunc's lying through his teeth, when I got the choprai he laughed his ass off and proceeded to rib me about it for several weeks after. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="<_ <" border="0" alt="dry.gif">

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September 26, 2008
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That is actually pretty stunning.. it's just finding them that's the trick /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

Mark where did you get yours? Also, did you put up an in-depth thread about setting up that tank? I'm sure I've seen it before (excuse my memory /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />). Quite interested in having a go.

September 26, 2008
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QUOTE (dunc @ Sep 26 2008, 09:39 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
That is actually pretty stunning.. it's just finding them that's the trick /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

Mark where did you get yours? Also, did you put up an in-depth thread about setting up that tank? I'm sure I've seen it before (excuse my memory /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />). Quite interested in having a go.

I got them from Maidenhead Aquatics in Stokesley a few months ago.

I did put an in depth post on Loaches online but not on here yet, I could do one if you thought it was worth it /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

September 26, 2008
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Just on the making of it etc, that would be really superb. I swear I've seen it before though. That'll be my latent psychic powers again /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

September 26, 2008
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No probs Dunc I will try and put something together over the weekend if I get chance /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

September 26, 2008
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Lovely mate, thanks muchly /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

September 26, 2008
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You'll be wanting a big-ish group mate so I reckon Brian or someone might be able to order in for you?

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Yeah deffo want a large group Matt. Will have a word with a few LFS see if I get any luck.

What kind of turnover do I want in this tank btw? Looking at Aquaclear powerheads, they're incredibly cheap now. I could do 3000LPH for £50 /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Is it wiser to point the flow towards the corner of a tank, and provide eating space at the front? I presume these guys don't actively swim in the water and will spend most of their time trying to avoid the current, even if they do actually like/require/live in it in their natural habitat?

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