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Stiphodon spp.
February 5, 2010
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Which species do members here keep and what are you feeding them? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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February 5, 2010
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Identifying species in stiphodon is difficult to say the least Matt. I'm guessing you've seen this thread?
http://forums.loaches.com/view.....hp?t=15686
I have at least three species:
1. They were sold as "red neon goby" and odyssey refers to them as "rainbow" species.
2. The species odyssey refers to as "orange fin". Sold as s. elegans to me but I doubt that has any validity.
3. Sold as s. atropupureus, "coblat blue" goby
The "rainbow" species I've had for some time and they've gone from algae grazers to battling with the rainbows in the tank, up in the open water at the top of the tank, for bloodworms etc. They also battle with the gastomyzons for algae wafer so they've become agressive feeders with plump bellies. They do still graze away on the rocks when there's nothing else.
The other 2 species are farily new and I haven't seen them eat anything I've offered yet, other than algae. I'd recommend treating them like gastomyzons and supply plenty of mature algae/aufwuchs for them to graze. If they make the switch to offered foods, great, but don't count on it. Someone at yahoo goby group offered the opinion that too much protien can bind their gut and cause seious peoblems. Haven't seen any problems with mine but I make sure they have plenty of green in their diet.

February 5, 2010
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Cheers Jim, I saw your comment on Petfrd and decided to try to do something about it. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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February 5, 2010
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Good on ya Matt! If you haven't already, you may join the yahoo goby group. Helen Larsen, Ron Watson and others respond to posts on ocassion and I beleive some of their personal emails are available. It can take a while to get a response.
I would guess odyssey would be willing to join the effort also.

February 5, 2010
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I already got hold of a few species descriptions and should have most of the others soonish - willing to send these on to whoever's interested. The older ones like elegans and the ones from the journal 'Aqua' are proving tricky to find though so consider this an official request for help! I guess pics of live fishes will be lacking but let's see if we can piece something together. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

It'd be great to get Odyssey's help, do you know him Jim?

Edit - and yep joined the goby group when you recommended it earlier.

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February 6, 2010
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I'd be interested in anything you find Matt. I only know odyssey from LOL but he seems very firendly and willing to share. Communication may be a bit challenging. I'll PM him and invite him over.
Also will be happy to supply pics of mine if I can make them good enough.

February 6, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Feb 5 2010, 11:37 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I already got hold of a few species descriptions and should have most of the rest by Monday - willing to send these on to whoever's interested.

I would love to get a hold of the species descriptions you have Matt!

I have quite a few papers of various goby species that I can let you have, though I imagine anything I have, you can get a hold of yourself?

February 6, 2010
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OK, here is what I have in relation to gobies in general, not just restricted to Stiphodon:

Amphidromy in Hawiian hillstream fishes
Amphidromy in Stiphodon and other species
Early hatch a strategy for safe downstream larval transport in amphidromous gobies
Egg and clutch sizes of a goby Rhinogobius giurinus
FRESHWATER BIOTAS OF NEW GUINEA
Freshwater Biotas of the Solomon Islands - some decent images of fish and biotopes.
Freshwater Fishes of Tetepare Island
Genetic diversity of Sicyopterus japonicus
Lentipes kaaea - Sicydiinae goby
Pelagic larval duration and morphology at recruitment of Stiphodon percnopterygionus.
Rhinogobius brunneus in the Arabian gulf
Rhinogobius giurinus subspecies
Rhinogobius honghensis
Rhinogobius longyanensis description
Rhinogobius zhoui description (in Chinese)
Schismatogobius fuligimentus
Schismatogobius vanuatuensis description
Sicydium from the Dominican Republic
Sicydium punctatum PhD thesis
Sicyopterus aiensis
Sicyopterus rapa
Sicyopus chloe description
Stipdon carisa description
Stiphodon astilbos description
Stiphodon aureorostrum
Stiphodon julieni description
Stiphodon percnopterygionus larval recruitment
Stiphodon sapphirinus description
Surveys of the rivers of Pohnpei (gobies)
Taxonomic review of Rhinogobius
The gobies of headwater streams of Micronesia
Three Rhinogobius from Laos
Variation in Rhinogobius rubromaculatus

February 6, 2010
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Yikes! Where do you find all this stuff Bully? I'd love to have anything relating to the stiphodon/sicydium type gobies. The papers on amphidromy sound very interesting!

February 6, 2010
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Google is your friend Jim. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Bully think I have some of those but need to check - on the missus' laptop now and it´s bedtime. Definitely have others for you. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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February 6, 2010
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I think I need google search lessons, I rarely find anything worthwhile.

Bully, are you keeping any of these at the moment?

February 6, 2010
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Yes, Google is your friend /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> I found the majority via Google, and Matt Clarke also sent some over to me. I think every paper I have listed there is available free via Google.

If you PM me your email address Jim I will zip them all up into a file and send them over (the same goes for anybody else that wants them).

I don't keep any, I tried for a few months with my lfs to get some in but they never managed it so, the tank was used for something else instead, I do have 3 individuals of Sicyopterus sp. though, which were lfs rescues and they sparked my interest in Sicydiinae.

February 6, 2010
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Bully can I have the following please? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Amphidromy in Hawiian hillstream fishes
Amphidromy in Stiphodon and other species
Early hatch a strategy for safe downstream larval transport in amphidromous gobies
FRESHWATER BIOTAS OF NEW GUINEA
Freshwater Biotas of the Solomon Islands - some decent images of fish and biotopes.
Freshwater Fishes of Tetepare Island
Genetic diversity of Sicyopterus japonicus
Pelagic larval duration and morphology at recruitment of Stiphodon percnopterygionus.
Rhinogobius brunneus in the Arabian gulf
Rhinogobius giurinus subspecies
Schismatogobius fuligimentus
Schismatogobius vanuatuensis description
Sicydium from the Dominican Republic
Sicydium punctatum PhD thesis
Sicyopterus rapa
Stiphodon carisa description
Surveys of the rivers of Pohnpei (gobies)
Taxonomic review of Rhinogobius
The gobies of headwater streams of Micronesia
Three Rhinogobius from Laos
Variation in Rhinogobius rubromaculatus

Will add to the list of available Stiphodon papers after I see what turns up in my inbox Monday.

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February 6, 2010
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Inspired by Bully's list I had to have another go on google this morning! I did find this.
http://palau2009blog.tropicalm.....ology.org/.
Interesting because it' the first I've found pics (near the bottom of the page) of surely identified s. elegans.

February 6, 2010
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Here are the only pics of live specimens from the papers I have:

S. aureorostrum: Chen, I.-S. and H.H. Tan 2005. A new species of freshwater goby (Teleostei: Gobiidae: Stiphodon) from Palau Tioman, Pahang, Peninsular Malaysia. Raffles Bull. Zool. 53(2):237-242.

Male:

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S. julieni: Keith, P., R.E. Watson and G. Marquet 2002. Stiphodon julieni, a new species of freshwater goby (Teleostei: Gobioidei: Sicydiinae) from Rapa, French Polynesia. Bull. Fr. Pêche Piscic. 364:161-171.

Male:

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Female:

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S. mele: Keith, P., Marquet, G. & Pouily, M. 2009. Stiphodon mele n. sp., a new species of freshwater goby from Vanuatu and New Caledonia (Teleostei, Gobiidae, Sicydiinae), and comments about amphidromy and regional dispersion. Zoosystema, 31(3): 471-483.

Male:

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S. sapphirinus: Watson, R.E., P. Keith and G. Marquet 2005. Stiphodon sapphirinus, a new species of freshwater goby from New Caledonia (Gobioidei: Sicydiinae). Cybium 29(4):339-345.

Pair, male upper.

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February 6, 2010
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Looking back at these I'm not sure I've seen any of them before. *scratches chin* Sorry about all the references - think I need to do it to avoid problems posting the pics.

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February 7, 2010
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Right, I've been having some trouble with my Hotmail so, I've uploaded the complete list of papers above to this thread.

Gobiidae.zip

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February 9, 2010
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In case these don't come through on facebook MATT! I thought I'd add them here. I recently bought the male but have had 2 females for some time bought as another species. Also have a look at odyssey's trhead to compare.
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February 9, 2010
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Hi Bully,

Thanks for posting the PDF files. Very cool.

February 9, 2010
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Let's share my pictures, too

1. Bought as Channa sp. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

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2. Bought as Stiphodon cf. rutilaureus (this one is much smaller than the first one)

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3. Bought as Pecina sp. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

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They are not interested in the food I offer, they're only grazing algae.
The first two I have more than a year, the last ones only for a few weeks.

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