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The True Identity Of The Tiger Barb
September 24, 2008
6:30 pm
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I suppose many of you have stopped reading the enormo-Puntius thread we have going but this query is a little more interesting than most. It seems there is some confusion about which species is represented by the tiger barbs we see on sale in almost every lfs. Pretty much every reference you'll find will list this as Puntius (or Barbus/Capoeta in older literature) tetrazona.

Howeverrr some newer references (notably Baensch Vol. 6) are listing it as P. anchisporus, with tetrazona being a similar but different (and presumably much rarer in the hobby) fish. From answers received to a question I posted on Petfrd earlier today it seems the main differences are:

P. anchisporus: lateral line complete, 14 circumpeduncular scales.

P. tetrazona: lateral line incomplete (only 8–9 pored scales), 12 circumpeduncular scales.

So. Is anyone on here keeping tiger barbs at the minute and would you mind having a check of the lateral line please? /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> I'm off to see if I can get permission to post a good enough quality pic to see the lateral line properly but two or more sources of reference would be dead useful. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Cake or death?
September 24, 2008
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so in other words they're saying there's not alot of difference between the two species.
the last time i had them was before you were born Matt, i was 11 year old and the buggers ate my newborn swordtail fry.
i know a lad thats closing down his freshwater tank who has a few tigers, so i might snag them of him and take some pics to check the lateral line.

mick

September 24, 2008
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/ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> Fascinating stuff. I bet there's actually quite a few "normal" LFS fishes which are actually mis-identified.

Imma open a new thread 'cos I have a question about taxonomy.

September 25, 2008
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QUOTE (mickthefish @ Sep 24 2008, 10:31 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
so in other words they're saying there's not alot of difference between the two species.

Basically Mick, aye. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> I still want to know though just for the sake of accuracy in the kb. /blush.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />

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September 25, 2008
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oke doke, i'm picking a couple of tigers up later on.
i'll post pics up of the relevant areas.
i don't know about you lot but i've only ever seen wild caught tigers a couple of times in my fishkeeping time, how about you's.?

mick

September 25, 2008
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For those that dont have Baensch Vol. 6 here is a scan of the info (sorry its in German)
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September 25, 2008
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nice one Mark, the most visual difference i can see is the black in the ventrals bud, the lack of colour in the tetrazona could be due to the preservation fluid used and also the amount of scales in the peduncle of the anchisporus.

mick

September 25, 2008
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Mark that's ace cheers. /ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> The dorsal patterning looks different too? What's weird is that some of this doesn't even appear to be new info. Look at these line drawings from Alfred, E. R. , 1963 Some colourful fishes of the genus Puntius Hamilton. Bull. Raffles Mus., No. 32, 135-142:
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Ps - Mick I've never seen wild caughts on sale I don't think, not even at BAS.

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