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To Kill Or Not To Kill?
November 6, 2009
6:06 pm
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Plaamoo
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There is a very interesting discussion going on at yahoogobygroup, mostly by scientist/taxonomist members, about killing fish for science, or not. Here's a link.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/g.....ssages?o=1

November 10, 2009
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The most interesting point for me was Neale Monks saying it's important for scientists to stay in touch with the public. Now while I appreciate that if I were a professional ichthyologist I certainly wouldn't want 1000 emails on guppies each day (an exaggeration, but you get my point), it'd be great to have a few more of them regularly using sites like Petfrd (and maybe one day this one). They're all a busy bunch, I guess...

On the issue of killing fish for science, I can understand why they have to sacrifice specimens for a type series, but when I read some papers where they use electrofishing to sample the species diversity of a river or something it really makes me want to kick the dog...

How about you, Jim?

Cake or death?
November 10, 2009
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QUOTE (Matt @ Nov 10 2009, 05:38 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
The most interesting point for me was Neale Monks saying it's important for scientists to stay in touch with the public. Now while I appreciate that if I were a professional ichthyologist I certainly wouldn't want 1000 emails on guppies each day (an exaggeration, but you get my point), it'd be great to have a few more of them regularly using sites like Petfrd (and maybe one day this one). They're all a busy bunch, I guess...

On the issue of killing fish for science, I can understand why they have to sacrifice specimens for a type series, but when I read some papers where they use electrofishing to sample the species diversity of a river or something it really makes me want to kick the dog...

How about you, Jim?

Agree with both your points Matt.

It would be great to get a taxonomist or 2 or 3 contributing regularly. They do seem to be busy and getting replies on the goby group is hit and miss and can take quite a while. Might be worth a try to make contact with a few personally and see if you get a response? These are mostly goby people as far as I know(Peter Unmack studies rainbows I believe) and the only taxonomists that I've had any(minimal)contact with. There must be places to contact those studying other fish.

Electro-fishing and the use of rotenone etc. sound like terrible ideas though I have no personal experience. I'm glad to see these folks discussing the issue and that they all seem to have these ethical questions in mind while conducting their studies.

November 11, 2009
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Thing is Jim what do you say to them? "Hey there Maurice, I've got this really cool website with about 20 active members but they're all really interested in fish! Fancy joining?"

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November 11, 2009
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I think you could do a little better than that Matt /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> But I get your point. I would guess that many are also hobbyists so may not be that far to stretch? There's a rainbow site http://rainbow-fish.org/forums.....ndex.php?s...a07997948d891a2 that i check in with on occasion and they seem to have Tony Gill's ear. He shows up with help on goby IDs.

November 11, 2009
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That was a good link, I had an enjoyable read /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

November 11, 2009
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I guess the other problem we face is that we're quite a generalised site whereas the more specialised sites might find it easier to attract experts in their particular field. Definite food for thought though...

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