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Trochilocharax ornatus
March 21, 2011
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Way cool - been wanting these since first seeing them on Glaser's website last year. Did you get a few Graham?

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March 22, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ Mar 22 2011, 08:20 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Way cool - been wanting these since first seeing them on Glaser's website last year. Did you get a few Graham?

They were nearly all males Matt. Only managed to find 2 females in the whole tank. Got 6 all together. (From Pier in Wigan)

March 23, 2011
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Really nice. Been interested in ordering these. These guys inseminate internally, right? Any aggression among them? Also, how big are they? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

March 24, 2011
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QUOTE (oaken @ Mar 23 2011, 10:05 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Really nice. Been interested in ordering these. These guys inseminate internally, right? Any aggression among them? Also, how big are they? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

I don't know if it has been proven that they have internal fertilisation but it is certainly assumed. The males are quite frisky and spar a bit but nothing too violent. They dance about in front of the females like most tetras.
Males are 2cm, females 1.5cm.

March 24, 2011
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QUOTE (mummymonkey @ Mar 24 2011, 12:09 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know if it has been proven that they have internal fertilisation but it is certainly assumed. The males are quite frisky and spar a bit but nothing too violent. They dance about in front of the females like most tetras.
Males are 2cm, females 1.5cm.


This article http://www.practicalfishkeepin.....p?sid=3172 suggests that they do have internal fertilisation.

They look beautiful. I wish I had room in my 250 litre tetra tank for them, but it is fully stocked. I'd love to have some of these. My 250 litre tetra tank is just far too small.

March 24, 2011
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Description (in German, English abstract) freely available here.

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July 29, 2011
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Just an update for the records.

I wasn't able to maintain this species long term. Although they fed well and appeared healthy enough they died one at a time over a period of a couple of months. The fish would seperate themselves from the rest, the body would go opaque and then they would die. From first symptoms to death was a matter of hours. A couple of them also seemed to have some kind of mouth erosion, not sure what it was.

A shame really as they are an interesting and rather beautiful little fish.

July 29, 2011
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Sorry about that Graham, but cheers for the update. Does the paper have any habitat info (can't remember /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />)?

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July 29, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jul 29 2011, 08:01 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry about that Graham, but cheers for the update. Does the paper have any habitat info (can't remember /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />)?

Not that I could see though my German is less than brilliant. Hans George Evers was in the shop when I bought them and helped me pick out the females. He said they were a blackwater fish. I gave them the same conditions as my Axelrodia stigmatias.

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Which if I recall your local water chemistry correctly means soft water with virtually no hardness?

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QUOTE (Matt @ Jul 29 2011, 08:22 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which if I recall your local water chemistry correctly means soft water with virtually no hardness?

That's right. Usually fine for tetras.

July 30, 2011
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Sure, thanks for the confirmation. Do you know if anyone is keeping and breeding it successfully?

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July 30, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jul 30 2011, 12:12 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sure, thanks for the confirmation. Do you know if anyone is keeping and breeding it successfully?

Jan Wester keeps these and got some fry. The fry appeared among the adults.

August 1, 2011
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Thanks Gustav. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Any idea about his water chemistry?

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August 2, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ Aug 1 2011, 12:34 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks Gustav. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Any idea about his water chemistry?

As far as I know he uses pretty much the same water for all his fish so.. Stockholm tap water (pH around 8 and kH around 3 I believe) that has been aerated in a big tub and some phosphoric acid added to lower the pH a bit. He also adds salt to his water bringing the conductivity up to around 1300 microsiemens. The substrate in the tank is peat fibres which probably helps to bring the pH down further.

May 28, 2012
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Any more luck for anyone with these?

 

Been keeping a group of 9 since january and they seem happy but no fry. Peat moss substrate, lots of javamoss, pure rainwater. Temperature around 24 celcius and I've thought of giving them a few more degrees.

---------------------------- Best regards, Kim Kastberg
March 8, 2013
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Finally adding a profile for this species - does anyone have any further experiences to report?

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March 8, 2013
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I never suceeded on breeding them and eventually they just died off og old age I guess.

---------------------------- Best regards, Kim Kastberg
March 11, 2013
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Cheers Kim. Did you actively try to breed them?

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