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Unknown Hillstream Loach
February 5, 2010
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A week ago I got this Loaches. I'm not sure about the genus of this new hillstreams, is anybody here who has an idea? Matt and me tend to Annamia. They were sold as Homaloptera, but I don't think this is right.

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Thanks for your help and opinions.
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February 5, 2010
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To confuse things even more, Thomas asked the same question over at Petfrd and HH thinks it might be a Balitora. /wacko.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />

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February 5, 2010
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any idea where they were exported from Thomas????.

mick

February 5, 2010
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QUOTE (mickthefish @ Feb 5 2010, 08:36 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
any idea where they were exported from Thomas????.

mick


Oh, forgotten, they are from vietnam, more precise I can't say it.

They have very small scales and looks therefore very slippy. The pics I have seen from Balitora shows more rough Loaches. But of course I could be wrong.

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Sadly they are very skinny, but I'm glad that they eat. At the moment I'm not sure if I can keep them alive but hope dies last!

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February 5, 2010
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Looking at "Fishes of Laos" they match the photos and description of Balitora kwangsiensis

Lovely looking fish Thomas.

February 5, 2010
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Hmm looks similar to the one before it in the book too, listed as B. cf. annamitica. Can you get a shot of the belly Thomas? The part in front of the anus in particular. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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February 6, 2010
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I can Matt, but maybe it could take some time, they are not often at the front glass.

looking at fishbase.org, Balitora kwangsiensis is a synonym to [i]Sinohomaloptera kwangsiensis[/i] (is this right?). And the pics of the sinos I've found don't really match with my loaches. http://fishbase.de/Photos/PicturesSummary....es&TotRec=3
I don't have the laosbook so can't look inside it

Last night Charles/Torso send me a link to a fish from Saigonaquarium.com that fits very good -> http://saigonaquarium.com/SHOWIMAGES/Homaloptera%20sp.JPG this should be the right loaches with the wrong name /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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February 6, 2010
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yes even if the picture is not very good. homaloptera leonardi is similar. I tried to figure out the pattern. in any case sinohomalpotera kw is not the right one. the second is an unknown out of many. remarkable for yours Thomas is the absence of markings in the fins. the body pattern could come more clear when in a better shape.

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February 6, 2010
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Can I see tiny scales on in the area in front of the anus Thomas?

Charles loving your work with the photos in these threads!

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February 7, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Feb 6 2010, 09:24 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can I see tiny scales on in the area in front of the anus Thomas?


Good question Matt...could be, but I will try to make better pics

Thomas

February 8, 2010
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I thought the ones you did were pretty good...you can even see what it had for breakfast!

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March 11, 2010
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IMO this is an Annamia as your Facebook page says. This is because of the single unbranched pectoral fin ray, whereas other similar genera in the region have two or more.

IMO this is Annamia thuathienensis Duc & Hao, 2005.

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March 11, 2010
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Shoddy Fishbase not up with the times again, wasn't even aware this species existed. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Thanks a lot oh nefarious one - have you seen the description and if so is it in Vietnamese?

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QUOTE (Matt @ Mar 11 2010, 04:28 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shoddy Fishbase not up with the times again, wasn't even aware this species existed. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

Thanks a lot oh nefarious one - have you seen the description and if so is it in Vietnamese?

You are welcome!

I've got the description in one of my Vietnamese books. In Vietnamese, and a very poor picture, but from what I can make out, looks like it.

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March 11, 2010
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Eschmeyer use their 'surnames' as is the rules, so it would be Nguyen & Nguyen rather than Duc & Hoa.

Description is:

Nguyen, V. H. 2005.
Ca Nuoc Ngot Viet Nam. Tap II. [Freshwater fishes of Vietnam v 2]: 760 pp

Specimens came from Bô River, Thua Thiên Province, Huê, Vietnam.

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March 12, 2010
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Yup nabbed that info from CAS already - will add here tomorrow. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> Have you managed to translate any of the description, specifically parts referring to habitat?

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No I haven't tried. Vietnamese is v difficult to translate.

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