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Weather Loach Disease
April 11, 2008
4:35 pm
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Hi,

I used to have an all weather loach which ended up in my cousin's tank, I then got another one and just the other day I got my old one back. Since the old one has been away, brown spots have showed up on his body but he seems perfectly healthy, this is him:
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He has only been back a couple of days but my other loach has gotten very ill, at first, his tail kept floating up like it was swim bladder problem, now he has fungus growing all over him:
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His tail:
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Thing is, this happened to a couple of fish in my cousin's tank ages ago, but I thought if the loach was fine then nothing would be transferred, could he be a carrier of something? I have anti fungus treatment in and I am just setting up a tank to keep my loach isolated.

Any help would be great, he is a great fish :/ doesn't act like a bottom feeder at all usually.

April 11, 2008
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Hi,

I do keep weather loaches but i have not encountered these symptoms before with them. That tail problem however does ring a bell. I had a male pearl danio have exactly the same problem, i hadn't a clue what it was and i treated a half dose of melafix (Bearing in mind i have several loaches in the tank) but he his health just deteriorated over the next two days and died. Sorry i can't be of any real help. Hopefully someone will come along and help you more.

Don't forget to only half dose the meds as loaches can't handle full doses due to their tiny scales.

David

BTW the brown spots are sometimes found in golden weathers, nothing to worry about.

April 12, 2008
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Yeah those brown patches are just areas of dark pigmentation that sometimes develop in leucistic fish. Nothing to worry about.

That fish does look in a pretty bad way though; most likely brought on by a combination of bad water quality and a dirty substrate. It doesn't look contagious to me. As David says, Melafix is usually quite good for treating this kind of thing and I'd also follow his recommendations for dosage. Good luck!

Cake or death?
April 12, 2008
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Well the ill one died last night, absolutley covered in white scum/fur /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> . The other was was settling in fine, ate this morning happily swimming, checked 5 minutes ago and he was dead and covered in the same white stuff.

What the hell!

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April 12, 2008
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Ahh Martyn /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> That's shit mate /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> What other fishes are in there? I'd get a partial water change done ASAP.

April 12, 2008
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So the other one developed all-over body fungus in less than 12 hours mate? /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

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April 13, 2008
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Im going to do water changes on and off over the next few days, none of the other fish (goldfish, dannios and minnows) are showing any symptoms yet.

Yeah he was fine in the morning :/

April 13, 2008
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that's a real bummer.

April 20, 2008
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There is something wrong in my tank, I was away for a couple of days there and one of my dannios was dead and absolutley covered in the same white fur. I dont know what the hell it is, any ideas?

The other fish seem fine, but the loach and the dannio seemed fine before they died.

April 20, 2008
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I spent ages looking around at random fishkeeping sites trying to find out what that disease might be.. but I can't find anything :/

Martyn assures me he's doing regular water changes and mentioned that his cousin had a couple of fish die in a similar manner a few months back - then this new weather loach that died was from that tank.

Is it possible that the Loach has been some sort of carrier which has thus affected the other fish?

April 21, 2008
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could it be columnaris. a nasty bug that is difficult to treat.
check out google and see if you think it is. there is also info on treating it. but you need to act fast.

April 21, 2008
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After checking the symptoms of that columnaris, I don't think it's that. None of the fish have fungus on the mouth or any cuts. The fish that have died, the fungus seemed to grow from the tail up and the fungus grows all over the body, not just some areas.

No other casualties yet.

April 22, 2008
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If it's not columnaris then could the fungus be a secondary infection? Perhaps some nasty bug is causing the fish to develop sores which are then being infected by the fungus. How regular are your water changes Martin? Are you cleaning the substrate? How much and how often are you feeding?

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April 22, 2008
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Mmmm the picture that he posted above doesn't look like sores or anything.. it's literally the entire tail and an eighth of its body.

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It looks like the anal fin has some kind of spotting on it though?

April 22, 2008
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True, true. But it's quite tricky to see on the pic. Fungal infections are almost always secondary was my point really. If the gravel is too coarse or dirty maybe even tiny lesions on the skin could be giving the spores somewhere to develop.

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April 22, 2008
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Yeah, agreed.

Martyn nip down to your LFS and get a gravel cleaner. It's just an extended-width siphon tube which siphons the gravel about half way in to the tube, allowing the dirt to be sucked from underneath it. If you've never done it before you'll see just how hacky it is when you get all the gravel cleaned up /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Do as much of the tank as you can until the water gets to about 50%, then replace with fresh dechlorinated tap water. Leave it a couple of days then do it again until all of the gravel has been cleaned properly.

Keep up the water changes at least weekly - 25% every week would be grand.

If after two weeks all of the fish seem perfectly healthy then I'd suggest you might be safe to add a couple of other fishes, but play it by ear.

April 22, 2008
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I have a gravel cleaner, that's what I always use for water changes - so it's pretty clean. Still no more deaths or illnesses, hopefully, whatever it was has gone?

April 22, 2008
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Depends what it was mate :/ Just concentrate on keeping the water quality as high as possible over the next month, not really a lot else you can do. If you have any further problems, let us know ASAP - if you find any further fatalities, try and get a photo of its corpse. Sounds a bit minging but can be really useful for diagnosing problems.

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