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Weather Loaches
February 15, 2011
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Mark Duffill
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I picked up 4 normal weather loaches the other day and also picked up 4 golden weather loaches at the same time

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February 15, 2011
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February 16, 2011
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Those golden ones look superb, wish I had looked around for some of them when I bought eight of these last year. /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

Must admit I'm now worrying if these guys might put too much strain on my 5-foot tank bioload, even with two APS 2000EF and an Fluval FX5 filter.

Constantly juggling mainly African riverine fish between 6 tanks, from 54 to 566l in size!
February 17, 2011
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I've heard that some of the fish in the trade might be Paramisgurnus dabryanus. Anyone know more?

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February 17, 2011
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Yes Matt, here is mine (male), found between M. anguillicaudatus. Last year I've seen a shipment of M. a. with a few Paramisgurnus again but in a bad condition and many loaches died after a few days.

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Here the shipments of Misgurnus are very often contamined with Paramisgurnus.

Thomas

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February 17, 2011
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Aha! What are the main distinguishing factors Thomas?

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February 17, 2011
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Paramisgurnus has no "comma" at the base of the tail and more redish (copper) eyes. And the tail seam (I don't know what is "Schwanzwurzelsaum" in english.. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> ) is more distinctly. It is very easy if you have both in your tank, the coloration of Paramisgurnus is more brown/bronze.

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Thomas

February 17, 2011
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Great info, thanks Thomas. 'Schwanzwurzelsaum' = 'submarginal caudal stripe'?

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February 17, 2011
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February 17, 2011
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Thanks for posting. I'm really interested in this species. An Asian grocery store near where I live was selling weather loaches as mud fish. An older gentleman came up to me while I was studying them in the (too small) unaerated styro they were being kept in. He explained that they're customarily rolled in flour and fried. I posted about them to Facebook, and one of my fish club friends stopped by and bought 3/4 of a pound of them for less than $15. They're really tough. I think he's only experienced 1 or 2 losses out of about 50 fish.

February 19, 2011
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Hi Thomas , some great interesting information there , I'd often wondered about Anguilicaudata but had just assumed it was a very variable fish ,[pattern wise ] how many different Misgurnusus's are there apart from Angulicaudatus and Fossilis ? and the said Paramisgurnus Dabraya ?

February 19, 2011
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The other ones currently considered valid are:

Misgurnus bipartitus (Sauvage & Dabry de Thiersant 1874) - central and northern China
M. buphoensis Kim & Park 1995 - N. Korea (possibly invalid)
M. mizolepis Günther 1888 - China
M. mohoity (Dybowski 1869) - Russia, Mongolia, China
M. oligolepos Li 1993 - China

Plus a shedload of synonyms, mostly of M. anguillicaudatus.

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February 19, 2011
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Funnily enough I went to a local shop today to pick up some bloodworm ,and they had some weather loaches that were distinctly brownish/bronze as opposed to Grayish , but they were in rank condition /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> I fancy having a few after many year of abstaining /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> its your fault Mark /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Thanks for the names Matt !

February 20, 2011
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Hi Andy,

QUOTE
Hi Thomas , some great interesting information there


Most infos are from Dr. Frank Krönkes article "Asiatische Schlammpeitzger" Aquaristik Fachmagazin Nr. 212. (Schlammpeitzger= weather loaches)

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Thomas

February 20, 2011
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Aha, then the translation is, um, er...

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April 8, 2011
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Just adding a Paramisgurnus profile to the site and I think the correct translation for what you highlighted is actually 'adipose crests' Thomas?

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April 8, 2011
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Hmmm see what you chaps think of these I found living close to Barcelona in 2008. They have adipose crests, are lacking a dark spot at the caudal peduncle and have reddish eyes. P. dabryanus?

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May 15, 2011
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Hi Mark, I pick up your thread to post some news instead to start a new one, hope it's ok.

I've got a female Paramisgurnus to my male. She's 8cm.

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I also bought a small pair (~7cm) of the "normal" weather loach, sorry for dirty glass.

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The shipment was the typical mixture of Paramisgurnus and Misgurnus. Maybe I add a few more.

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Thomas

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May 15, 2011
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Of course Thomas! Mind if I 'procure' the photos for the relevant profiles?

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May 15, 2011
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Of course Matt, but if you wait a bit, I send you some better.

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