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September 12, 2010
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Aqeela17
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Hi all, i just wondered if anyone could offer me some advice.

Ive got a matured 40"x18"x15" tank, its got sand/large gravel substrate and a large piece of bog wood. filtration is a Fluval 3plus and 2 small sponge filters.

I recently bought 8 small clown loach (Chromobotia macracanthus) as company for my 5inch and 3inch clown loaches. i quarantined these fish for 2 weeks and have been feeding them up with blood worm.

however since moving them to the main tank 3 days ago all 8 have developed a small amount of white spot, 1 fish however is completely covered. they are all still eating well.

my main concern now is i cant move them back to my usual quarantine tank as ive now got 200+ 5day old zebra danio fry in there.

Im hesitant to use Esha Exit white spot control on the main tank as it has got a 7inch Elephant Nose fish (Gnathonemus petersii) in there and im unsure if this will affect him.

Has anyone got any ideas? thank you in advance

September 12, 2010
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Mormyrids (such as Elephant noses) are indeed one of the more sensitive species. Esha Exit documentation doesn't say that it's bad for any form of sensitive fishes, which you'd expect from most medications...

Documentation here

So, I think it should be safe, but I'm not the owner of your fish....

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September 12, 2010
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Clown loaches are highly sensitive to most white spot meds also, which is frustrating as they are about the most suceptible fish. Up the temp to about 28-30, do twice daily gravel vacuums and monitor the situation closely. You will probably notice them get better of their own accord. This is the preferable way to go. Otherwise, pump the temp up and dose in 1/2 strength maximum doses and watch closely for any signs of distress in the elephant nose or the clown loaches.

September 12, 2010
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Increasing the temperature has two other effects.

Firstly it reduces the oxygen content of the water, so make sure that you increase the surface disturbance with either the filter outlet or an airstone to compensate.

Secondly it speeds up the life cycle of the ich, which means it is exposed to the medication more often in a given time frame. This is useful when only adding a half dosage, which is what I've always done with my clowns. Remember also that you'll need to complete the entire course even if the fish appear to be clear and it is possible that a second complete course will be required if the first one doesn't get rid of the ich.

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September 12, 2010
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Ich treatment can be a volatile discussion topic. There seems to be as many opinions on this as there are fishkeepers. Here are a few good articles on the subject.
http://www.skepticalaquarist.c...../ich.shtml
All of these treatments are much simpler in small quarantine tanks. As is evident in this case, 2 weeks is not nearly long enough for quarantine. IMO 4 weeks is minimum.

September 13, 2010
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Just to add that once ich is identified in a tank, it is the tank that needs to be treated rather than the fish, so moving them back to the q-tank for treatment wouldn't work. This is because the ich life cycle includes a substrate phase and a free-swimming stage.

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September 13, 2010
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Thank you all for your help. ive now increased the temp on the tank and added 3 airstones to the tank. ive dosed with half the recommended amount, il let you know how i get on.

The two products you mentioned ive never heard off, but im trying to find them online now and going to order them as soon as i do.

Ive noticed today that the neon tetra in the tank also have signs of white spot and atleast 2 of them have raised scales and have gone very pale. im now very concerned that i have something other than white spot in my tank.

thanks again

September 13, 2010
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Flubendazole [or something very similar] can be found in a product called Kusuri Wormer Plus, which is definitely a good parasite medication - and it's "mild" on the host fish, so will not hurt sensitive fish.

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September 14, 2010
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Plaamoo
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Here ya go Aqeela. I thought the contact email was in the last link but not. It's at the bottom of this one
http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/Flu.....atment.pdf
Email charles and see about shipping??? I had a look at the product that Mats suggested and it does contain flubendazole. It might be easier for you to find in the UK.

September 15, 2010
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QUOTE (plaamoo @ Sep 15 2010, 12:05 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here ya go Aqeela. I thought the contact email was in the last link but not. It's at the bottom of this one
http://www.inkmkr.com/Fish/Flu.....atment.pdf
Email charles and see about shipping??? I had a look at the product that Mats suggested and it does contain flubendazole. It might be easier for you to find in the UK.

Bear in mind as well that importing medical substances can be difficult legally... So whilst shipping may not be a problem, getting it through customs could have it confiscated or even end up with you in trouble with the legal system... Not something I would recommend - it just takes one tiny little "extra ingredient" or "higher concentration" or some such to go from perfectly legal to illegal.

By the way, Rid-Ich+ is a product with Copper Sulfate - it turns the water a bluish-green. I believe this is not a suitable medication for Mormyrids (elephant nose fishes).

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September 15, 2010
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"Bear in mind as well that importing medical substances can be difficult legally... So whilst shipping may not be a problem, getting it through customs could have it confiscated or even end up with you in trouble with the legal system... Not something I would recommend - it just takes one tiny little "extra ingredient" or "higher concentration" or some such to go from perfectly legal to illegal."

Very good point! Sorry I didn't think of it.

By the way, Rid-Ich+ is a product with Copper Sulfate - it turns the water a bluish-green. I believe this is not a suitable medication for Mormyrids (elephant nose fishes).

No Copper sulphate in Rid-Ich+.....Malachite Green & Formalin
http://www.novalek.com/kordon/...../index.htm

"Fishes such as the so-called "scale-less" species (loaches, catfish, etc.) tolerate Rid·Ich+ very well, but be sure to follow cautions noted earlier. Some Mormyrids (elephant noses) may be particularly sensitive and should not be treated with any medication containing malachite green, including Rid·Ich+. "

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