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150g tapajos Biotope
October 30, 2010
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I plan on setting my 150G up as a tapajos biotope. Any ideas on fish that will work?
So far im thinking
Hypselecara coryphaenoides,Heros Efasciatus, Geophagus red head ,Panaque nigrolineatus. Which can all be found in tapajo. The only thing i definatly want in there it the Geophagus im still not sure on the others and still open to ideas.

November 1, 2010
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We have Geo Red Heads in with Heros in a 400 gallon tank, and the Heros give the Geos a hard time when they are spawning.
Hypselecara are peaceful and stunning but do get potentially big, and will produce very large numbers of young should they spawn.
Some small/medium pike cichlids would look a picture (and they'd help deal with any unwanted spawnings).
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November 1, 2010
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I was hoping that with a few different types of cichlids that most of the fry would get eaten unless i save them. From what i had heard Heros and Geophagus are normally quite a good mix. Ill be getting them small anyway so maybe see how they get on as the mature and if it comes to it rehome some. Any ideas on Pikes from there?

November 2, 2010
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Think there's a form of C. regani from the Tapajós and a few undescribed species are in the trade too.

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November 2, 2010
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QUOTE (Matt @ Nov 2 2010, 08:10 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Think there's a form of C. regani from the Tapajós and a few undescribed species are in the trade too.

Yeah, regani would be a very good one, stunning fish. In 150 gallons you could have a couple of pairs or a little group to sort themselves out., that way you'll get the best of the courtship displays.

November 2, 2010
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Ill keep a eye out for some then.
What numbers do you think i could have

pair Hypselecara coryphaenoides
pair Heros Efasciatus
4-5 Geophagus red head
6 Crenicichla regani
1 Panaque nigrolineatus

Could that work?

November 3, 2010
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Personally I'd leave out one of the heroine spp., otherwise I think the Geos are going to get little peace.
For me, I'd sack the Heros and get a small group of young Mesonauta or Satanoperca.

November 3, 2010
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Would the Satanoperca be ok in with the Geos? I thought there would be to much competition.
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1 Hypselecara coryphaenoides
5 Geophagus red head
6 Crenicichla regani
5 Mesonauta or Satanoperca
1 Panaque nigrolineatus

November 3, 2010
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You could certainly start off with a small group of Hypselecara (youngsters, preferably from more than one source), hopefully ending up with just a pair, they are notorious for being lax parents in captivity and so even when they spawn they are unlikely to cause mayhem.
Geophagus and Satanoperca seem to feed at different depths of the substrate (of course this doesn't matter so much when they are being fed in the aquarium) and so IME seem to coexist reasonably well. Satanoperca acuticeps (if you can find them) in particular are perfectly capable of looking after themselves.

November 3, 2010
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Thanks.
Are the satanoperca acuticeps found in tapajo?
Do you know if theres any types of Uraus that come from there?
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4 Hypselecara coryphaenoides (Rehome 2 when a pair forms)
5 Geophagus red head
6 Crenicichla regani
5 Satanoperca of some type
1 Panaque nigrolineatus

November 3, 2010
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I would probably try a slightly larger group of one of the eartheater types, rather than mixing two different ones. Say 8 of one species.

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November 3, 2010
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QUOTE (MatsP @ Nov 3 2010, 08:57 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would probably try a slightly larger group of one of the eartheater types, rather than mixing two different ones. Say 8 of one species.

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I would prefer 1 big group if im honest. Would 8 work out long term or and i going to have to thin it down once pairs form?

November 3, 2010
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QUOTE (kizno1 @ Nov 3 2010, 10:00 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would prefer 1 big group if im honest. Would 8 work out long term or and i going to have to thin it down once pairs form?

Not in my experience. My only worry would be that you'd be overstocked, but at least the Satanoperca leucosticta and Geophagus surinamensis (?) that I've kept are fine in a group - they are not as strict pairforming as some of the other cichlids. Obviously, the fish you get will not be the exact fist I've been keeping...

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November 3, 2010
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QUOTE (MatsP @ Nov 3 2010, 09:51 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not in my experience. My only worry would be that you'd be overstocked, but at least the Satanoperca leucosticta and Geophagus surinamensis (?) that I've kept are fine in a group - they are not as strict pairforming as some of the other cichlids. Obviously, the fish you get will not be the exact fist I've been keeping...

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Fair enough. Thanks. I think ill go for
4 Hypselecara coryphaenoides (Rehome 2 when a pair forms)
8 Geophagus red head
6 Crenicichla regani
1 Panaque nigrolineatus

Then. Or maybe relapse he Crenicichla with a pair of different cichlids if i cant get them.

November 5, 2010
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QUOTE (kizno1 @ Nov 3 2010, 09:55 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fair enough. Thanks. I think ill go for
4 Hypselecara coryphaenoides (Rehome 2 when a pair forms)
8 Geophagus red head
6 Crenicichla regani
1 Panaque nigrolineatus

Then. Or maybe relapse he Crenicichla with a pair of different cichlids if i cant get them.

Where are you based? I'm sure that wherever it is there'll be someone who can suggest suitable sources.

November 6, 2010
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Im in Norfolk, England. I havent heard of anyone breeding them around here so did a quite search on aquarium classified but it didnt turn up much.

November 7, 2010
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November 7, 2010
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Thanks.
Im going to try and contact him to see where he got them from.

November 19, 2010
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I think i might drop the Pikes and 2 of the Geos for a pair of Uraus. And i might drop the Royal plec if i can find out if Sorubim lima can be found in Tapajos.
So the plan is
4 Hypselecara coryphaenoides (Rehome 2 when a pair forms)
6 Geophagus red head
4 uaru amphiacanthoides (only keeping a pair)
1 Sorubim lima
and not from Tapajos but i dont want to get rid of them
3 BN+fry
3 Banjo catfish
1 Platydoras armatulus

Im still open to ideas though.

November 19, 2010
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I think Sorubim do better in groups but can confirm that S. lima has been collected in the lower Tapajós.

Personally I'd forget about that species though and get a decent-sized school of some characid species.

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