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Apistogramma cacatuoides
August 29, 2011
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ender2811
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What would be the best way to keep A. cacatuoides in a community tank?
The tank is heavily planted with tetras and cories already in it. I plan on getting a pair but was wondering if there are any benefits in having more than one female? I have room for maybe 5 or 6 adults in the tank which is 180 L and 1m long. Is that enough room for 2 males to form adequate territories?

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August 30, 2011
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What are the approximate base dimensions of your tank?

As an aside, many people are now keeping Apistogramma spp. in much larger groups than is traditionally recommended because many species tend to occur in high densities in the wild.

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August 30, 2011
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The base is 101 x 41 cm.

I've read about the overcrowding method, I think U mentioned it in the KB also. Not enough room in the tank to do it, and I'd want to keep the fish I have already. Maybe somewhere down the line though.

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August 30, 2011
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Yup first day back. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

I think you could get away with two males and a few females in that tank provided there's plenty of structure in the lower part of the aquascape.

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August 30, 2011
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QUOTE (ender2811 @ Aug 30 2011, 11:00 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
The base is 101 x 41 cm.

I've read about the overcrowding method, I think U mentioned it in the KB also. Not enough room in the tank to do it, and I'd want to keep the fish I have already. Maybe somewhere down the line though.

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Hi ender, Apistogramma are sometimes found in very high densities in the wild, this isnt quite as common as people think and tends to happen at the end of the dry season/beginning of the wet season when fish are condensed into small and shallow water courses. Those that have been sampled and reported have found upto 400 Apistogramma within one square meter, these were fish of all ages and sexes and its almost guaranteed that these fish will spread out when the rains flood the water courses and spill over into the jungles.

In the aquarium a good rule of thumb is to offer each female roughly 12 sq inches of territory centered around a cave. There can be more than 1 male but expect one dominant and several sub dominant fish. In this enviroment you will witness the full range of social behaviour and find it more interesting than simply keeping a pair.
I have bred many Apistogramma species and due to me being greedy and wanting as many as possible i use only pairs in 24x12x12 tanks.. This allows plenty of breeding but i miss out on so much more behaviour. I often wish i could afford the space to keep the fish in groups in larger tanks! the best Apistogramma tank i ever had was a 1 meter biotope setup centered around a group of 15 Apistogramma eunotus.. I could watch that tank for hours and learnt loads about the fishes behaviour.

Id suggest getting 7-8 A.cacatuoides with 5 female and 2-3 males.. This will give you a active, vibrant and interesting display. Add in some pencilfish or attractive tetras and away you go.

August 30, 2011
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Thanks for the info.

Couple more things.
Do I add them all at the same time or maybe females first and then the males?
Tips on feeding these guys would be most appreciated. The fish are tank bred if that makes a difference.
What adult size should I expect? I've been doing the math with 3.6'' males and 2.8'' females like the KB says. Is that about accurate? I've seen other numbers posted on the interwebs.

October 6, 2011
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This thread kinda died before I got all the info I needed so please if someone could inform me about introduction of A.cacatuoides to the tank.
I plan on adding multiple males and females so was wondering what would be the best way to go about it. All at once? Males then females, vice versa?

October 7, 2011
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Females then males for me, lets them settle in before being mithered.

October 7, 2011
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Thanks coel, and do I put the males in at the same time or one by one? Is a week enough time between batches?

October 7, 2011
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I'd add both males at the same time, so that neither has a chance to establish the entire tank as its territory. As Matt says, plenty of decor to break up lines of sight will help, and I'd suggest an open area inbetween the two ends of the tank to help create a border zone.

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October 7, 2011
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Excellent, good info.

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October 8, 2011
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QUOTE (ender2811 @ Oct 7 2011, 08:53 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Excellent, good info.

Thanks guyz /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

Hi,
Been there and done it.
The dominant male will ruthlessly harass the other males and you will end up loosing a lot of
the males
I will never again keep pairs or trio's of apisto's in a community tank as they cause a load of trouble even in a tank with loads of hiding places and i had to almost dissmantle the tank to catch the females and remove them.
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