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Fish Dying
April 5, 2011
4:45 pm
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JazzBora150
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3 dead today

checked all water parameters and they are all spot on with the exception of ph which has moved from 7.1 to 7.9

victims 2 Danio rerio
1 Mikrogeophagus ramirezi

im guessing but it might be an internal problem
i have noticed that my Apistogramma panduro male has been flicking a lot

there have only been 2 new tank mates added but he has been flicking from before addition he also seems to be clamped up he is the only fish to act this way

ther are no signs of white spot

at a loss

i did do a 30% water change last nite

also i would like people in uk to suggest which water declorinator they use as id like opinions on the one im using which is king british and whether its any good

thanks guys

April 5, 2011
5:34 pm
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The fish died after the 30% water change? I seem to remember a lot of discussion about your tap water???? Have you tested it recently? Is there much difference between tap and the tank water?

April 5, 2011
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yes there is a difference in the tds

although i did the 30% water change i didnt do it all at once it took about 3 hrs to add the 30 litres

but how else can i do my water changes would it be better for me to do a daily small change of say 10 litres or maybe 5 litres
im also concerned that the product i use to declorinate isnt great
i used to use an american dechorinator made by a company called Kent but i cant get this anymore, it was an excellent product i used it for my koi never had any issues but even though
i dosed using the correct amount , when i test water with tetra test strips it indicates that there is chlorine present
can you overdose with dechorinator?

also the little apistogramma has been clamped up pretty much from when i got him
i actually thought that this was the normal behaviour for this fish until i saw another so i do believe he has an underlying problem

martin

April 5, 2011
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I use the Sera products mate.

Are you adding the dechlorinator to the new water before you change it or adding the tap water and then dechlorinating?

April 5, 2011
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You don't specify which King British product you are using, and I'm not familiar with their range but as a site I was reading pointed out:

"Remember, though a dechlorinator is a water conditioner, not all water conditioners are dechlorinators."

Maybe teaching my granny to suck eggs here, but eliminate the possibility that maybe you are using a conditioner that doesn't dechlorinate?

Also strikes me that a pH change of 0.8 is quite a lot, over what timescale did this happen?

April 5, 2011
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although i did the 30% water change i didnt do it all at once it took about 3 hrs to add the 30 litres

This sounds good to me. That's a pretty slow refill. Have you determined whether your water company uses chlorine or chloramine? Some conditioners don't neutralize chloramine. My water company uses chlorine.I use prime. I add several drops to a 5 gal bucket, then fill at the tap with warm water. It sits for the time it takes for me to siphon off water from the tank, then in it goes. Usually about 20% twice a week. This works well for me & my water. Hopefully you can work out a routine for your situation.
Have you tested the Ph of your tap water? I'd like to know what caused that drop, and if it was sudden/caused by the water change?

April 6, 2011
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@ bluedave i will look up the sera products may have to travel a fair bit to larger shop
as for order i dose bucket then add to tank thx

@ ferox the king british prod. is safe guard it says that it is a dechlorinator just not sure of its effectiveness
my doses were spot on as to ph rise over a 24 hour ish period but hasnt risen any further
im going to get a new battery for my meter tomorrow and test it with that . thx

@ plaamoo i will check tap water ph tomorrow also

April 6, 2011
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Couple more questions - where do you buy your fishes from and are the tanks there run on a centralised filtration system?

When I used dechlorinator Safe Guard was always my choice and I never experienced any issues.

Cake or death?
April 6, 2011
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fish are bought from a store called northern aquatics in newtownabbey co.antrim as far as im aware they do not have a centralised filter set up but im not certain
as far as the safe guard goes i was only probing to see if anyone had issues with it, so far so good
and if possible find out if there is a better one i could use

glad to say no casualties today

April 6, 2011
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found the problem with the ph

the water i put in tank is normally 7.1 -7.4

today when i test it, it reads 7.8

i tried the water board for northern ireland and they were not very helpful

i also have been told that fluoride is added to the water in northern ireland (so we all have nice teeth)
but at what quantity
added in the form of hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) and that doesnt make nice reading and is registered as a poison but does it affect fish?

April 11, 2011
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Not sure if it helps now, but I use Biotopol plus by JBL and find it quite good.

April 22, 2011
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QUOTE (JazzBora150 @ Apr 6 2011, 06:07 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
i also have been told that fluoride is added to the water in northern ireland (so we all have nice teeth)
but at what quantity
added in the form of hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) and that doesnt make nice reading and is registered as a poison but does it affect fish?

I guess fluoride is added to probably most of the water supplies in the U.K. so if it affected fish we'd know about it already. You're right though, it is nasty stuff;

http://www.fluoridealert.org/5.....easons.htm

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