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Kribs..question
February 13, 2009
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Matt , I think you were right about the Kribensis eating my neons. There is no one else capable, and I am down to eight neons. None of the other tetras have disappeared, but they are all fast swimmers, like Rummy Nosed etc. or too big, like Black Phantoms. But half my neons are gone and no corpses, no one looking sick, and to top it all off, the three little corydoras catfish, that I bought to replace the large suspect syno, are all living on big leaves of plants, half way up the tank. This points to the Kribs. /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

They are a mated pair, and with no one left (like botias) to steal their eggs, I think they have bred and are snacking on neons. /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" /> I havent seen it happen (which is why I suspected a nocturnal catfish in the first place)..

SOOOO...anyhow, the question I have for you guys who have worked with cichlids is this:
If I put the Kribs in the underpopulated Parrot Cichlid tank, will they fight with the Parrot Cichlids (who are extremely tame and docile)?

My choices are : set up another tank, trade in the Kribs, trade in the Parrots, put the Kribs in the Rainbow tank or the Parrot tank (where the eggs will be eaten by the botia gang). All the tanks are 50gallonUS, except the neon tank , which is a 37gal

February 13, 2009
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If it was up to me I'd get shut of the parrots because I hate them but that's personal taste. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

The other option for the neons is they're just dying off because there was a dodgy batch in the shop; a common problem sadly. Corpses of small fish like that often go unnoticed as they're, well, small. That's not to say the kribs aren't to blame of course...either by eating them or even a hit from a full-grown aggressive krib in breeding mode might be enough to knock them out if they're tiny.

Kribs and parrots in a 50 gallon tank is asking for trouble in my opinion. Kribs are feisty wee buggers when they breed as your cories are finding out. Not sure how aggressive parrots are towards other cichlids as I've never kept them and both the shops I've worked in refused to stock them! /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Need others' input here I'm afraid.

By the way it was David who first suggested the kribs were munching your tetras. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Cake or death?
February 14, 2009
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Hey Reva

Red Parrots are not to everyones taste but are wonderful to keep and full of personality. Avoid any Parrots with black patches upon their bodies as these are from a more recent hybrid cross and, thus, a little more aggressive than those of pure red or orange.

See my article on Asian Parrot cichlids, articles section http://www.ryedaleaquaristsociety.co.uk

They should mix with your Kribensis without any problem. Kribensis guarding fry may attack Parrots fins but Parrots are very clever fish and will keep clear.

Regards David

February 15, 2009
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QUOTE (David Marshall @ Feb 14 2009, 12:13 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Reva

Red Parrots are not to everyones taste but are wonderful to keep and full of personality. Avoid any Parrots with black patches upon their bodies as these are from a more recent hybrid cross and, thus, a little more aggressive than those of pure red or orange.

See my article on Asian Parrot cichlids, articles section http://www.ryedaleaquaristsociety.co.uk

They should mix with your Kribensis without any problem. Kribensis guarding fry may attack Parrots fins but Parrots are very clever fish and will keep clear.

Regards David


Thanks very much David! We have a variety store here that sells fish, much to my dismay, in the pet supply section of the store. While purchasing cat food and fish food there one day a couple of years ago, I saw two little orange Parrots, about the size of good sized olives, in a tank with very aggressive African cichlids. They were hiding behind the filter tube, and I felt sorry for them and bought them, and set up a 37gallon(US) tank for them. Now they are the size of peaches, and very tame. I put them in a 50gallon with some barbs and large rasboras for dither fish , and a pleco, three pictus cats and some botia. The tank is well planted, and if I put the Kribs in , then the botia will eat their eggs in the night. So you think it would work? I dont disagree with purists about that they shouldnt have been artificially created in the first place, but there they were, alive already and needing rescuing and now I am very fond of them /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" />.

I read your article with great interest. I am wondering , how big do they get? I think one of mine is a male, and is the pink fire kind that you describe. He closes his mouth like normal, and has no black on him at all. He has the big eyes and is the more docile of the two. My smaller one I am not sure of the sex. I want to say she, because they act like a pair. She looks just like the ones in your pictures, and is more tangerine colored and with the typical mouth. I have a friend who visits about three times a year, and she loves them so much, and they always hide from her. LOL..now I know why! I will try to get some pics of mine for you to comment on.

Thanks again David, and also thanks for being brave enough to post /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />
/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> Sorry Matt

February 15, 2009
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Hey Reva

Pleasure. Look forward to seeing your photographs.

Parrots can grow to well over 8" with the 'King Kong' variant much larger in both size and body girth.

You have me worried when you say 'brave enough to post' as it would be a sad day if Matt and friends stopped us having 'open fish talk'. Seriously I am, as Mick and Andy will testify, a 'long time supporter of Asian Parrots' and probably have the largest photographic collection of hybrid Synodontis of any 'Syno. fanatic' I know.

The great thing about the aquarium hobby is that there is so much room for so much diverse interest.

Regards David

February 15, 2009
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i ain't saying nowt mate.
you know mine and Andy's stand on this bud, and probably a few million other fishkeepers.
it gives the clowns open season to do what they like.

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February 15, 2009
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QUOTE (David Marshall @ Feb 15 2009, 12:47 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
You have me worried when you say 'brave enough to post' as it would be a sad day if Matt and friends stopped us having 'open fish talk'.

Absolutely. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> And I agree with Mick. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Cake or death?
February 15, 2009
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Hey Mick

You should let poor Andy speak for himself. ha ha ha

Regards David

February 15, 2009
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Now David, do you really think i have to ask Andy what his opinion of this subject is mate.
cos you know what the reply would be bud.
this is my opinion though bud, get all your hybrids outta the tanks they're in and see them of, then you can restock with genuine fish. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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February 15, 2009
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Hey Mick

Well I am sure Andy would say 'hybrids are okay as long as labelled as such'. ha ha ha

Regards David

February 15, 2009
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You are gentlemen all....but....
See what I mean? /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

February 15, 2009
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I'm totally against hybridisation or any form of "man made" fish, but there's no way we'd stop people talking about it. Naturally we're entitled to our own opinions though so we'll probably be strongly advising against it, especially to less experienced fishkeepers.

It's always good to have a discussion though!

February 17, 2009
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thanks Duncan /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
I ended up putting the Kribs with the rainbows and some of the rainbows with the Parrots. So far, everything is working fine. I bought more neons, and now will wait and see if nobody disappears now /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

February 18, 2009
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Let us know. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

Cake or death?
February 18, 2009
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Hey Reva

Parrots and Rainbows. Sounds a good mix?

Regards David

February 20, 2009
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Well, no more neons have disappeared /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" /> I had to buy two teeeeeeensie (almost fry!) Golden Burma botia to eat snails in the Amazon tank, and when they are too big to be trusted, will put them with my other one that lives in the Parrot tank.

The Parrots acted like "hey cool! big dither fish!" towards the rainbows (which were Western Australian Rainbows). When I first rescued the Parrots (at about the size of a walnut), I put them in the Rainbow tank (50gallonUS), and the Rainbows chased them. Now the tables are turned and the Parrots full grown (I hope), and the Parrots are far more hospitable hosts than the Rainbows were.

The Kribs are now the smallest fish in the Red New Guinea Rainbow tank (which also houses two large catfish..Feather Fin Syno and Siamensis Bumblebee and several botia; Angelicus and Clown). I thought they would be afraid /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> , But they ran the Angelicus out of a Japanese jar ornament and are now flashing colors and enjoying the new accomodations /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

February 20, 2009
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Hey Reva

Sounds as though things are working out really well.

Parrots are great companion fish.

Regards David

February 20, 2009
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QUOTE (David Marshall @ Feb 20 2009, 11:47 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey Reva

Sounds as though things are working out really well.

Parrots are great companion fish.

Regards David

Well, none of my friends are aquarists, and whenever I talk about trading off the Parrots (because of size), my friends all protest, saying that they are their favorites of all my fish. They always ask to feed them blood worms. The close second favorites are my clown loaches... Looks like I will be purchasing a 125gallon tank sometime in the future...

Also, looks as if the Kribs might be innocent of eating neons after all. I saw a neon begin to swim erratically last night...so perhaps it is the inferior strain that dies off after all. I would hazard a guess that I wind up with the seven from the good store, and lose the cheaper ones from Petsmart next. None of the other tetras have spun out..just neons...

February 20, 2009
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Hey Reva

Yes Parrots are a talking piece. My cousin always enjoyed watching the 'small shoal' of Parrots I had. This was mainly because the Parrots could see some very active Spanner barbs in the tank opposite. The Parrots would push their faces to the front of the glass and everytime the barbs were active, swimming from one end of their tank to the other, the Parrots would move their faces in union and watch the barbs like a human watching a tennis ball going from one side of a court to the other.

Regards David

February 23, 2009
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In my experience Reva those "inferior" Neons are commonplace. Mass inbreeding or whatever causes the problems, I would only purchase them from a quality LFS where you can see them feeding and displaying vibrant colours.

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