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Native Marines
July 26, 2008
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Native marine fish are a bit of a final frontier for me. I've kept coldwater, trops and trop marines, but never had a native marine tank. It's something I plan on trying one day. I just wondered if any of you guys have ever done it? If you have, how did you do it? And what did you keep? /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 26, 2008
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Two of our members, having done a Marine Biology degree, were contemplating setting up a native marine tank. Kris (Sirkus) and Adam were both, at one time, looking in to it - if I remember correctly.

Adam is away on holiday in South Africa at the moment (the lucky git, though he promises a full writeup when he gets back /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />) and I think Kris is busy celebrating his graduation!

Will point them in this direction when I next speak to them though /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

July 27, 2008
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I used to go rockpooling a lot with my dad. Kept shore crabs, blennies, shrimp, even a butter fish once but always released after a few days as we had no aquariums at that point. Used a big plastic bucket in the garage to keep them in. Dunc this is before you were born, mind. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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July 27, 2008
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July 28, 2008
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July 28, 2008
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medievel times? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

I tried to set up a marine aquarium, but had to take it down after a month as it had loadz of problems

July 28, 2008
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I haven't tried native myself but I know of a couple of people who did successfully. They did however live in an area where there's no sewerage outlets so water was good and got specimens from the same area, thinking logically they should be accustomed to the water.
Sorry I can't help you much more as they didn't go into more details /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

July 29, 2008
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I think the rockpooling element is part of the fascination. I used to go rockpolling when I was a kid. I need the native marine tank as an excuse to do it again! lol

I'll look forward to the other chaps posts then. Cheers guys.

July 29, 2008
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i had a major disaster years ago with my trop marine tank and lost all the fish in a week,
so you can imagine i was a lot pissed off, there was around 2 grands worth of fish and this was in the 70's.
so i had a mate who used to go scuba diving who brought me a few things from our coast, nothing spectacular but i really enjoyed keeping this tank going for a few years.
inhabitants were a small edible crab, beadlet anemones a few shrimps and this big anemone i used to call the medusa, it's tenacles trailed everywhere.

mick

July 31, 2008
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QUOTE (mickthefish @ Jul 29 2008, 11:09 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
inhabitants were a small edible crab, beadlet anemones a few shrimps and this big anemone i used to call the medusa, it's tenacles trailed everywhere.

mick

Sorry about your disaster earlier /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> that is so hard.

but the new setup...Wow how cool is that?! sounds really fabulous. I have often been tempted to try a tidepool tank from our local waters, but I am sure I would just let everyone go all the time.How do you keep a cool water tank cool enough? Are tidepool creatures tough because of the variable conditions, or fragile,needing high oxygen content and circulation?

July 31, 2008
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We-elll, rockpool animals tend to be tolerant of a wide range of temperatures and conditions because, as you say, they live in a constantly changing environment. I suspect they would develop health problems if maintained at sustained high or low temperatures for prolonged periods though. I know that some keepers of native marines here spend a lot of money on chilling equipment.

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July 31, 2008
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jul 31 2008, 11:30 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know that some keepers of native marines here spend a lot of money on chilling equipment.

thanks Matt. that's what I was afraid you'd say. My sister comes to visit me from Hawaii and says "your tanks are so Pretty! You should go down to the beach and get some critters in the tidepools , and We Could Have Fun with one of your empty tanks..it's EASY" she says

Talking to you, Duncan, Mick, Mark, etc. is like the cool hand of reason on my forehead /happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />

August 1, 2008
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If reading our nonsense "is like the cool hand of reason" I reckon you may need to ask yourself some questions Reva dear. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Do your sister's creatures survive for long? Octopus are notoriously difficult to keep alive in aquaria...

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August 1, 2008
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QUOTE (Matt @ Aug 1 2008, 06:03 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Octopus are notoriously difficult to keep alive in aquaria...

why is that?

August 1, 2008
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Karlos try this article by Colin Dunlop. Keeping Cephalopods in captivity.

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August 1, 2008
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thx matt will do later on

August 2, 2008
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QUOTE (Matt @ Aug 1 2008, 04:03 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
If reading our nonsense "is like the cool hand of reason" I reckon you may need to ask yourself some questions Reva dear. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Do your sister's creatures survive for long? Octopus are notoriously difficult to keep alive in aquaria...

And the anwer IS...sometimes they get eaten, sometimes they escape, and sometimes she let's them go again. The eel got big and was let go...it was a baby moray..., the Moorish Idol she got guilty about because it was a big one (she has a 50gallonUS), so she let it go. the Octopus, being intellegent, crawled out of the tank in the middle of the night, making noises like a sci fi channel movie, and crawled on her body (futon on floor). Scared her so bad she let him go. Right now she has a school of baby ....tangs i think. I told her that they are territorial, but she said "not this kind".
/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> She found them "stranded in a tide pool" /wub.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wub:" border="0" alt="wub.gif" /> and is all fond of them, and happy about saving them. what could they be I wonder?
She also has some hermit crabs etc. and small anemones
She's a very nice person..just zany and impulsive. I am the steady one /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />
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August 2, 2008
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QUOTE (Reva @ Aug 2 2008, 07:31 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
She's a very nice person..just zany and impulsive. I am the steady one /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />
/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

means she's the interesting one then... /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

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I realise this is an old thread, but as a newbie on this forum I've just found it and this is something I've thought about for a long time but done nothing about.

Seems like I'm not the only one on here that spent childhood summers up to his knees in rockpools with a tiddler net and a bucket! Oh to be 10 years old again.

I suspect that intertidal native marines would be very forgiving regarding the conditions in which they are kept because, as was mentioned earlier in this thread, not only do they they tolerate a very wide range of conditions in the natural habitat but these conditions can change instantaneously. A rockpool can heat up to probably 30C on a good sunny day, and also fill up with fresh (but not always clean) water runoff from the nearby land - in an instant, as the first wave of the incoming tide hits, they can be plunged instantly into full strength seawater at 5C.

My own dream would be to have two deep tanks set up side by side with a system of pumps and hoses on timers to move water back and forth through a chiller from one to the other on a 25 hour cycle to simulate tides. Perhaps one tank could be inverts, the other fish. Maybe one day.....

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Where is "native" to you?

I have kept a lot of UK native marines - including cephalopods /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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