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Nora's Fish
January 18, 2011
11:10 pm
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Nora
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Hey y'all...

I've decided to show some of my fish... I hope you enjoy a bit...

Amatitlania nigrofasciata or... terror cichlid /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />
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Betta albimarginata
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Channa spec. Assam
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Channa stewartii Juveniles
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Cichla orinocensis - wonderful models in the quarantine, horrible in their home aquarium *sigh*
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January 18, 2011
11:22 pm
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... *spam*

Cichla twisted /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />
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Some North American species really difficult to get in Germany / Switzerland - Etheostoma caeruleum (juvenile)
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Etheostoma spectabile (juvenile)
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Gambusia affinis (?) from the Camargue, France
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Homaloptera smithi
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Limia tridens
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Microctenopoma ansorgii *The Punk!*
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Another NA species... Couldn't find out if Phoxinus or Chrosomus is the valid genus for this erythrogaster
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I'll stop for now - Cheers, Nora

January 19, 2011
3:12 am
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WOW! Please don't stop for long.

January 19, 2011
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Very nice Nora! CAS says: "Current status: Valid as Chrosomus erythrogaster (Rafinesque 1820)", if that's any help.

January 19, 2011
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VERY nice, especially the N. American stuff. I have images of the C. erythrogaster to add to the database at some point and they came labelled Chrosomus. If the Gambusia is the same one as here it's G. holbrooki I think...

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January 19, 2011
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From where did you acquire your Northern American species Nora? We have almost no possibility of acquisition in the UK. /sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />

January 19, 2011
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Don't tell 'im Nora! He only ever talks to people when he wants something! He's probably already planning a trip to Switzerland!

Lovely fish by the way, the Cichla are exquisite and the 'Merkan fish are lovely, really special.

January 20, 2011
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Lovely pics thanks for showing them.
cheers
Peter

January 26, 2011
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Hi Nora. Thanks for posting your fish photos. I'm guessing that your Phoxinus species is Phoxinus eos, known in the region where it is found as northern redbelly dace. It could also be a southern redbelly dace, but from the description at:

http://web4.msue.msu.edu/mnfi/.....stracts/zo...ythrogaster.pdf

I don't think so.

"The northern and southern redbelly dace have smaller mouths than most minnows, but the southern redbelly dace has a mouth that is more horizontal, whereas the northern has an upturned mouth usually more than 45°)."

January 26, 2011
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wow...I want more fish now...

January 27, 2011
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We all do. But it's something we learn to live with, when we aren't going out to get more fish.

QUOTE (Malti @ Jan 26 2011, 06:30 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
wow...I want more fish now...

January 27, 2011
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Hmm according to CAS it's valid as Chrosomus erythrogaster. Methinks we need a copy of this which I should be able to get: Strange, R. M. and R. L. Mayden. 2009. Phylogenetic relationships and a revised taxonomy for North American cyprinids currently assigned to Phoxinus (Actinopterygii: Cyprinidae). Copeia 2009.

Bob/Nora - do the males have that beautiful red belly all the time or just when in spawning condition?

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January 27, 2011
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Sonny somehow that almost sounded like my mum barring me from LFS.../laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="Laugh" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

January 28, 2011
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Hi,

QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 27 2011, 08:55 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bob/Nora - do the males have that beautiful red belly all the time or just when in spawning condition?


eventhough I am not Bob nor Nora ...

Both male and female seem to show the red coloration only during spawning conditions. The Phoxinus/Chrosomus I keep showed the red color after two weeks. After one more week I put them in another tank then of which I thought it would be better fit for spawning purposes and they lost this coloration immediately returning to their normal grayish coloration with the black stripe.
I will try to alter the tank setup to match the one of the first tank they were kept in.
But I have to admit that I got these fishes about six weeks ago so this observation has to be confirmed taking a longer period into account.

Cheers

Heiko

January 28, 2011
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Hi Heiko, thanks for the info. Just like the Yirpeen ones then. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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That paper is on the way.

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January 29, 2011
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Matt are those spots breeding spots?

and those are (very gorgeous) danios right? or I'm making a fool of myself?

January 29, 2011
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Karlos that's Phoxinus bigerri in my pics - the Spanish minnow. The white tubercules on the head and red patches around the base of the fins only appear in Spring when they're breeding, and only in males. The rest of the year they look like this:

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I now have the paper I mentioned above so will have a peek and report back any findings.

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January 29, 2011
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Okay so that phylogenetic analysis confirms that it's Chrosomus erythrogaster and not actually that closely related to Phoxinus.

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January 29, 2011
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thanks Matt...I have to restart reading abit on fish, as I lost touch with the new findings...and the males in breeding colours are just amazing.

if memory serves me right you had some killis didn't you? how are they doing?

January 30, 2011
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Hi Matt. Only spawning males have the red undersides.

http://www.fishpondinfo.com/dace.htm
http://www.nanfa.org/articles/.....elly.shtml

QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 27 2011, 02:55 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm according to CAS it's valid as Chrosomus erythrogaster. Methinks we need a copy of this which I should be able to get: Strange, R. M. and R. L. Mayden. 2009. Phylogenetic relationships and a revised taxonomy for North American cyprinids currently assigned to Phoxinus (Actinopterygii: Cyprinidae). Copeia 2009.

Bob/Nora - do the males have that beautiful red belly all the time or just when in spawning condition?

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