LOGIN

RSS Facebook Twitter YouTube
GLOSSARY       

SEARCHGLOSSARY

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

PROFILESEARCH

Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





 

Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Setting up a 70L aquarium
December 22, 2014
9:14 pm
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

 Hello, first post here! I am looking to start up with a 70L aquarium. I have this in mind http://www.swelluk.com/aquariu.....03097.html .  

I was thinking of using a sandy substrate as I have read on some websites that they are better for fish and the tank than gravel. I would like to have to have dim lighting for my tank and with the tank temperature at 24 °c. In addition to this I was thinking of having a PH of 5.0 and to have soft level of water harness.

I would like to stock it with 5 or 6 Kuhli Loaches and good tank mates for them. I have done a little bit of research on here and read that they would be compatible with fish like Chocolate Gouramis, Dwarf Rasboras and Otos. However I would appreicate it if someone could give me any other suggestions as to what other fish would make good company for Kuhli Loaches. 

Again, I would be grateful for anyone kind of feedback regarding the tank set-up or even recommendations for improvement.

December 24, 2014
9:44 am
Avatar
Barb Man
Member
Forum Posts: 140
Member Since:
March 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I know the profile says to buy 5-6 as a minimum but for a tank that size I don't think you have enough room for that many. Maybe one if you really want the species. Really anything that fits the water parameters should be fine given that it isn't an aggresive species or a delicate species. So cichlids are out but not like they would fit in that small of a tank. Barbs or Rasboras should do well with them. If you got a few community barbs and a betta the setup would look nice with lots of tannins and driftwood arranged so that the light is diffused and maybe some plants that would work with the sand and low lighting.

I don't really like pangio loaches I have a horsefaced loach and he is much more neat than the pangios I say but he is bigger than the pangios too. Maybe some gold barbs because they stay pretty small so you could get a few of them. Maybe even some Boraras because most are red and small too. I would do some boraras and two or three if I really wanted more than one but that would be pushing it because the tank would be crammed full. Then again maybe pangio and boraras are used to low oxygen levels. More research should be done because I don't know what you like or where your tank is going. Most fish are pretty adaptable and within reason all you need to do is pick out what you like.

Pick out a handful of fish you like go home research them a bit to see if they fit the parameters and get the one that fits the best.

Oh no not this guy again
December 24, 2014
11:57 pm
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Barb Man said
I know the profile says to buy 5-6 as a minimum but for a tank that size I don't think you have enough room for that many. Maybe one if you really want the species. Really anything that fits the water parameters should be fine given that it isn't an aggresive species or a delicate species. So cichlids are out but not like they would fit in that small of a tank. Barbs or Rasboras should do well with them. If you got a few community barbs and a betta the setup would look nice with lots of tannins and driftwood arranged so that the light is diffused and maybe some plants that would work with the sand and low lighting.

I don't really like pangio loaches I have a horsefaced loach and he is much more neat than the pangios I say but he is bigger than the pangios too. Maybe some gold barbs because they stay pretty small so you could get a few of them. Maybe even some Boraras because most are red and small too. I would do some boraras and two or three if I really wanted more than one but that would be pushing it because the tank would be crammed full. Then again maybe pangio and boraras are used to low oxygen levels. More research should be done because I don't know what you like or where your tank is going. Most fish are pretty adaptable and within reason all you need to do is pick out what you like.

Pick out a handful of fish you like go home research them a bit to see if they fit the parameters and get the one that fits the best.

Thank you for taking the time out to respond. 

My first priority was to get Kuhli loaches but I do not want just one if it is all alone as I do not think it will be very happy by itself without any other Kuhli loaches. I do like the idea of keeping Boraras or any very small sized shoaling fish and dwarf gouramis. I would like the tank to be more of a small sized community fish tank to be honest with you.

I have gone to a few places that sell tropical fish but the vast majority of the fish they are selling will out grow my tank within a few months or fish that I have had before. I am taking my time now and doing lots of research now as I do not want to make the same mistakes like I did the first time I kept tropical fish. 

December 25, 2014
9:55 pm
Avatar
Barb Man
Member
Forum Posts: 140
Member Since:
March 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Yeah I don't think that a group of five or six would fit into that small of an aquarium. If you could get a little bigger one then the boraras and gouramis would fit better. Even though the loaches only inhabit the bottom of the tank most of the time they need lots of space cause they burrow quite a bit. I think you could do without the one inch for one gallon rule though a little bit. They would do better in a 20 or 25 gallon. So whatever the liter equivalent is that is what I would get. A good aquascaping or a biotope would be nice. The use of leaf litter and/or peat would make the lighting look good along with some branches and plants that fit the lighting requirements

Oh no not this guy again
December 26, 2014
12:35 am
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Barb Man said
Yeah I don't think that a group of five or six would fit into that small of an aquarium. If you could get a little bigger one then the boraras and gouramis would fit better. Even though the loaches only inhabit the bottom of the tank most of the time they need lots of space cause they burrow quite a bit. I think you could do without the one inch for one gallon rule though a little bit. They would do better in a 20 or 25 gallon. So whatever the liter equivalent is that is what I would get. A good aquascaping or a biotope would be nice. The use of leaf litter and/or peat would make the lighting look good along with some branches and plants that fit the lighting requirements

Good advice! I agree with you that a group of five or six would not have enough space in a 70L aquarium. Sadly I can only  fit a 70L aquarium in my room at the moment, so that rules out getting anything bigger than 70L.  

I have done a bit of thinking about stocking the tank with 5 Panda corys, 8 Dwarf Rasboras, 2 Dwarf Gouramis and 1 Oto or do you still think that would be an overcrowded aquarium for 70L? I plan to get a sandy substrate and have plants and branches. Would leaf litter and peat give the lighting a more dim look? 

December 26, 2014
1:34 am
Avatar
Barb Man
Member
Forum Posts: 140
Member Since:
March 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The peat, branches and leaves all add tannins to the water sort of like tea. What are dwarf rasbora? Use scientific names because common names can confuse other people who read this. If you mean Boraras Micros then yes it should be fine. They are quite small and simple Boraras Brigittae is red and a little bigger and in the states is easier to acquire also. Be careful with the otocinclus because they need to eat almost constantly and are very needy when it comes to aquarium maturity

Oh no not this guy again
December 26, 2014
12:22 pm
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Adding peat,branches and leaves is a good idea. Sorry about using the common names as I am new to the website (great website by the way), I will now start using scientific names from now on. I was talking about Boraras maculatus however I do like the suggestions of Boraras Micros and Boraras Brigittae. I am not so sure about getting Otocinclus macrospilus, I think I will see how the aquarium settles before buying them. Do you think Corydoras panda would be a better alternative to Pangio semicincta? 

You have been a big help so far, thank you. 

 

 

 

December 27, 2014
3:27 am
Avatar
Barb Man
Member
Forum Posts: 140
Member Since:
March 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Well corys are catfish and pangios are loaches. Might want to get the attention of loach specialists so they can suggest a replacement for the pangios. Plaamoo I know is a very helpful person but he might not get back to you for a few days or even weeks. All the top posters at the bottom of the page are really helpful and try their best and have first hand experience with more species than me.

Oh no not this guy again
December 27, 2014
11:04 am
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Will do, thanks for the information and advice you have given to me. I have kept tropical fish before when I was younger but I really did not know enough information on tropical fish and I made a lot of mistakes. I wanted to try keeping tropical fish again but with far more success, I came onto the forums to learn whatever I can and I am also using the website's knowledge base as a guide really, it seems to be the most detailed tropical fish websites there is. 

December 27, 2014
4:54 pm
Avatar
Plaamoo
Bellingham, Washington U.S.A.
Community Helper
Forum Posts: 1257
Member Since:
March 14, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The dimensions, or footprint of your tank are more important than the capacity. How much area do the fish actually have to occupy. Surface area is also a factor for oxygen intake. All of your scenarios sound doable to me though I don't have personal experience with all of the species. Cories are fun to watch and you will see them as opposed to the pangios. I hardly ever see mine.

If you don't have a water test kit get one. A ph of 5 is very low by most standards and not necessary. What is your tap water? Kh & gh are more important than ph. Get them tested. Keep a good eye on your parameters until you get things stabilized and buy fish that will thrive in your conditions without too much tampering. Add a few fish at a time, not all at once. Quarantine all new fish for at least a month before adding to your main tank.

good luck!

December 27, 2014
6:44 pm
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

plaamoo said
The dimensions, or footprint of your tank are more important than the capacity. How much area do the fish actually have to occupy. Surface area is also a factor for oxygen intake. All of your scenarios sound doable to me though I don't have personal experience with all of the species. Cories are fun to watch and you will see them as opposed to the pangios. I hardly ever see mine.

If you don't have a water test kit get one. A ph of 5 is very low by most standards and not necessary. What is your tap water? Kh & gh are more important than ph. Get them tested. Keep a good eye on your parameters until you get things stabilized and buy fish that will thrive in your conditions without too much tampering. Add a few fish at a time, not all at once. Quarantine all new fish for at least a month before adding to your main tank.

good luck!

Thank you for getting back to me so soon. 

The dimensions of the tank are 60 x 30 x 40cm / 23.6" x 11.8" x 15.7" (L x W x H), do you think this reasonable for what I am planning?. I am planning on doing a water test once I have bought the tank. I know my tap water's PH is soft (I do not know the exact number). I was going to plan on adding one species at a time to the tank over a month once I had completed cycling the tank. I do not have another tank to quarantine any new fish into my tank so is there anything else I can do instead?

If you have any more questions or even more advice for me that would be great!.

December 28, 2014
2:52 am
Avatar
Plaamoo
Bellingham, Washington U.S.A.
Community Helper
Forum Posts: 1257
Member Since:
March 14, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The tank size is fine. You really need to get a handle on your water chemistry before you can plan a stock list. Try to get another small tank, even a 2.5 gal is fine. Small is better really as it will take less meds if you need them. I don't know of another way to get around it. If you introduce new fish to an established tank without quarantine you're in for trouble. Most of us have learned that the hard way!

December 28, 2014
6:05 am
Avatar
Barb Man
Member
Forum Posts: 140
Member Since:
March 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I don't really quarantine my new fish just make sure to not dump any of the water from the fish store into your tank that is that biggest problem.  I only quarantine my fish if they are in a display that has dead or diseased fish. But yes as a precaution many people quarantine their new fish for a bit because if anything happens to their display replacing multiple fish can cost a lot especially for people that house big or lots of fish.

When setting up a tank you should though because the water parameters aren't exactly stable. Much luck on the new setup. Do you think that you will be taking any pictures to show off once it is all up and running?

Oh no not this guy again
December 28, 2014
9:45 am
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

plaamoo said
The tank size is fine. You really need to get a handle on your water chemistry before you can plan a stock list. Try to get another small tank, even a 2.5 gal is fine. Small is better really as it will take less meds if you need them. I don't know of another way to get around it. If you introduce new fish to an established tank without quarantine you're in for trouble. Most of us have learned that the hard way!

I will test my tap water with a water test kit as soon as I can.I will try and see if I can find any space for a 2.5 gal, out of curiosity what are the consequences for not quarantining new fish?   

December 28, 2014
9:51 am
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Barb Man said
I don't really quarantine my new fish just make sure to not dump any of the water from the fish store into your tank that is that biggest problem.  I only quarantine my fish if they are in a display that has dead or diseased fish. But yes as a precaution many people quarantine their new fish for a bit because if anything happens to their display replacing multiple fish can cost a lot especially for people that house big or lots of fish.

When setting up a tank you should though because the water parameters aren't exactly stable. Much luck on the new setup. Do you think that you will be taking any pictures to show off once it is all up and running?

If I cannot mange to find any space in my room then I will just not put any water that comes along with them and not buy fish with diseased or dead tank mates. I will get pictures on here as I think it is only fair seeing as you and plaamoo have helped me out massively. 

December 28, 2014
4:25 pm
Avatar
Plaamoo
Bellingham, Washington U.S.A.
Community Helper
Forum Posts: 1257
Member Since:
March 14, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Barb Man said
I don't really quarantine my new fish just make sure to not dump any of the water from the fish store into your tank that is that biggest problem.  I only quarantine my fish if they are in a display that has dead or diseased fish.

Bad advice. An infected fish will me more dangerous than the water. Assume ALL fish are infected! Be careful giving advice unless you have years of experience to back it up. I am one of the least experienced on this forum which is why I usually defer to others.

December 28, 2014
7:44 pm
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I am having trouble trying to accommodate a smaller tank (2.5 gal) into my room for just now, maybe in a few months I can get it but for just now it will have to wait. 

December 29, 2014
7:59 am
Avatar
Barb Man
Member
Forum Posts: 140
Member Since:
March 21, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I've only been keeping fish for three years so probably less but I have two very local fish specialty stores and I trust them a bit more than I probably should. Also I watch fish a bit before I buy them to make sure I'm not getting a bad specimen. I have had some ich before and keep medicine readily available though. If you have the resources to be super cautious do it but I've only list a few fish out of the many I've kept. My endlers died of old age but I kept them when I was a kid and wasn't very involved with them besides feeding. I've bred easy fish like white clouds but aside from that I only keep small barbs and gobies for the most part. I do have four tanks three of which are full and a pond out back that I plan to but in the ground this summer and add some goldfish to. I'm really new though so yeah advice from me should be double checked and really the only thing you can do is research and research it's one of the most promoted things on this site. Educate yourself and only ask questions when not sure.

Hope you get what you're looking for set up soon

Oh no not this guy again
December 29, 2014
11:42 am
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Barb Man said
I've only been keeping fish for three years so probably less but I have two very local fish specialty stores and I trust them a bit more than I probably should. Also I watch fish a bit before I buy them to make sure I'm not getting a bad specimen. I have had some ich before and keep medicine readily available though. If you have the resources to be super cautious do it but I've only list a few fish out of the many I've kept. My endlers died of old age but I kept them when I was a kid and wasn't very involved with them besides feeding. I've bred easy fish like white clouds but aside from that I only keep small barbs and gobies for the most part. I do have four tanks three of which are full and a pond out back that I plan to but in the ground this summer and add some goldfish to. I'm really new though so yeah advice from me should be double checked and really the only thing you can do is research and research it's one of the most promoted things on this site. Educate yourself and only ask questions when not sure.

Hope you get what you're looking for set up soon

I used to help keep tropical fish before so I know the stores that can be trusted with providing healthy fish so I don't think it will be too much of a problem. I am going to take my time with buying the fish so I can have a good look at the fish before I buy, medicine is an absolute must to have. 

I have been doing my research thoroughly and I am learning quickly, I am really enjoying gaining new knowledge about the hobby. I am sorry if I am asking too many questions (I do like learning everything), I have found this website to be very useful.

I just really want that aquarium with that natural feel to it with fish that are the correct size for it. I am hoping to get the tank very soon though. 

December 30, 2014
10:25 pm
Avatar
dynamo875
Edinburgh, Scotland
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
December 20, 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I have just tested the PH in my tap water, it is 6.4. I think I shall look for fish that are more acclimatized to soft water.

Forum Timezone: Europe/Paris

Most Users Ever Online: 246

Currently Online:
1 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Devices in use: Desktop (1)

Top Posters:

Stefan: 1567

Plaamoo: 1257

mikev: 1134

Malti: 1099

Mark Duffill: 1012

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 0

Members: 30511

Moderators: 0

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 4

Forums: 10

Topics: 4603

Posts: 36641

Newest Members: dg, Jamieson22, FraziersAquarium, world renowned, granamyr

Administrators: dunc: 1323, Matt: 8239