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Tank Size For Shell Dwellers
May 16, 2009
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Bluedave
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Bit of advice please Guys.

Whats the smallest tank size that Tanganyikan shell dwellers could be kept in?

The reason I ask is I'm thinking about what to do with the tanks when I set them up again. My original plan was to put these in my Rekord 60 but i'm thinking of using that for something else. That leaves just my little 12 litre jobby - is about 300mm by 180mm by 220mm. Could I keep a pair or a male and a couple of females in this or is it far too small?

Any and all advice appreciated.

May 16, 2009
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Personally I wouldnt go below 28l to 30l for long term housing.

I know lots of people who keep trio's and small family groups in Aquastart 320's, which are 32W x 38H x 32D cm and 28L.

May 16, 2009
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I agree with Mark; you'll have the inevtiable fry to contend with too so a bigger tank would be better.

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May 16, 2009
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Cheers Guy's, thats what I thought but I thought i'd ask the question.

Looks like they are going in the Rekord 60 as originally planned then. Have to think off something else for the 12 litre now then (if I cant think off anything it will go back to being plants with shrimp again!).

May 16, 2009
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Bumblebee gobies?

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May 16, 2009
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My multi tank is 60l, one piece of advice is to either use sand on keep the tank bottom empty of substrate as it is a nightmare trying to clean around the shells without really spooking the fish.

Baz

May 16, 2009
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Don't really know anything about them Matt, they are brackish aren't they?

May 16, 2009
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QUOTE (Bluedave @ May 16 2009, 08:10 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't really know anything about them Matt, they are brackish aren't they?

Hi Dave, we have a thing here called "Knowledge base" /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Try this link Bumblebee Goby /ph34r.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":ph34r:" border="0" alt="ph34r.gif" />

Hope you get settled in soon /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" /> /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

May 16, 2009
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It depends of the species you want to maintain.
L. Callipterus needs big tanks because the size of the males is also big (for a shell dweller).
N. calliurus is a "big" shell deweller too, so I think that 200 lts will be fine.
Multis and similis will be happy with those 30 lts for a little group (2 males and 4 females), but the bigger the better (I´ve kept a group in a 450 lts tank with lots of Neothauma shells).
Other small species are more agressive like N.ocellatus and N. signatus (this is more a mud dweller but they will do fine with shells), so they need more room.

Neothauma tanganicense
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the 450 lts tank: multis colony to the left
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N. signatus pair (male on top)
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May 16, 2009
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Well, they say that they need at least 37liter tanks, but I would choose a 109, which is what I see them housed in in the shop of a cichlid fanatic, whose shop is 3/4 hobby and 1/4 fish for sale. /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

This guy says they like 10 to 12 inches of sand territory EACH. I have lusted after some of them for years....

Are those perriwinkle shells that they like? I know they like fine sand to dig in , but exactly what housing would you guys recommend? I looked at the pics, and some have plants. Do they dig up plants? looks like java fern in the pictures....

May 17, 2009
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With bumblebee gobies it depends on the species. Some like quite soft, acidic freshwater although keeping the brackish ones isn't too hard as you just need to buy a bag of marine salt. No fancy equipment needed or anything.

Francisco your fish and set-ups look really good. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

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May 17, 2009
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Great looking set up's Francisco.

I'll be keeping multi's in the Rekord 60.

Will look into the Bumblebee gobies, I like the look of them and it's always nice to try something new.

Cheers Richy - another couple of months of fun and games and then we should be settled /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

cheers Folks

May 17, 2009
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QUOTE (Reva)
Are those perriwinkle shells that they like? I know they like fine sand to dig in , but exactly what housing would you guys recommend? I looked at the pics, and some have plants. Do they dig up plants? looks like java fern in the pictures....

You can use the shells you prefer, but I recommend you a size for housing just one fish. If you´re unable to find some Neothauma, then apple snails shells will be fine.
If it´s possible, put fine sand in your set-up, they like digging almost all the time.
You are right, the plants in the pics are java fern, but it´s attached to the rocks because they dig up plants.

Matt, I don´t already keep the tanks like you can see in the pics, but they were nice and very enjoying! (it´s correctly placed "already" in the sentence? /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> )

May 17, 2009
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They look fantastic fran, really - thanks for sharing.

QUOTE (francistrus @ May 17 2009, 12:03 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
Matt, I don´t already keep the tanks like you can see in the pics, but they were nice and very enjoying! (it´s correctly placed "already" in the sentence? /unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /> )

If you mean you don't have them any longer, I would say:

"I don't have those tanks from the photographs any more, but they were very nice and enjoyable" /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

May 17, 2009
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Hey dunc, thanks for the lessons! /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

May 18, 2009
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Java fern seems to come in handy with the diggers. It was the only thing that lived through my Juripari phase /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

You can trust teacher Duncan to be Accurate /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

May 20, 2009
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Anubias is another dig-resistant genus. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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