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Trust In Dealers Advice, But Should You
January 4, 2011
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as ive already mentioned in a couple of posts im a total green horn as far as tropical fish go

and ive taken advice from more than one source which maybe isnt such a good thing either

and it gets worse

i was at a dealers on monday just to have a wee look at what he had in stock and i seen a couple

of tanks with nice little cichlids with the words PEACEFUL as a description so i asked can i add

these to a community take i have and the reply was certainly these are peaceful and shy fish

so i bought two fish

i will add the photos of them one of them is a lovely peaceful wee chap just hovers mid water

and doesnt bother with any of the other species in the tank the other is a monster, a nasty brute

by no means monster in size but attitude and aggression and to top it off i think he has

munched 6 of my Paracheirodon innesi (i hope thats correct for neons)

now this monster i refer to was sold to me as a wild red flag cichlid and cost me 15 pounds

so i searched for it on google, cant find it

i did find images for red flag cichlid but it doesnt look like mine

needless to say im not happy /mad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":mad:" border="0" alt="mad.gif" />

but what do i do

should i return the fish and say you owe me some neons as your advice sucks

the 2 photos below are the two fish i bought the first is the nice guy sold as wild caught cupid

cichlid lovely wee fish must admit the second is the monster which has the ability to change his

colour the line down his side disappears must be a mood thing

advice in any form greatly appreciated

cheers

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January 5, 2011
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The first is Biotodoma cupido, the second is I think a yellow acara - Aequidens metae.

January 5, 2011
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i woke up this mornin to a horror of horrors as i watched the second fish finish his meal

during the night he managed to eat 7 neon tetra

so i took time off work today to return him to shop

i think this might be him: Laetacara curviceps - Dwarf Flag Cichlid

January 5, 2011
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You should trust Mummymonkey's id in my opinion. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Your Biotodoma will do much better, and be more interesting to watch, if you buy a few more as they naturally live in groups.

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January 6, 2011
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QUOTE (Matt @ Jan 5 2011, 08:51 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
You should trust Mummymonkey's id in my opinion. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Yup, they're a fantastic fish for the larger South American display, colour changes can be dramatic and virtually instantaneous, but will wreak havoc in a tank of smaller fish. Great character, soon learn where the food comes from.

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Your Biotodoma will do much better, and be more interesting to watch, if you buy a few more as they naturally live in groups.

They are ethereal, peaceful and delightful fish that only improve as they get older, as Matt says they're much happier in groups. Think of them as giant Rams but without the peevish streak. They require good water quality and will do best in soft, slightly acidic conditions, but once settled they turn from little grey mice into gorgeous iridescent creatures flitting round the tank. I've never had one of these harm another fish, regardless of size. One of my all-time favourites, as you can probably tell...

January 6, 2011
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im not sure what he is although he definatley ate my neons

he was sold to me as a wild caught dwarf red flag cichlid and it even said peaceful on the holding tank

but that could mean anything

i dont profess to know any of the latin names i just pulled that off google images

but he still ate my fish i watched him finish one off

but thanks for your reply maybe when i become more accomplished i may decide to do a single species tank and these may be it

thanks

January 6, 2011
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Definitely not dwarf, it's Aequidens metae , diadema or something very similar, get up to 8", maybe more.

January 6, 2011
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could this be it?

http://aquaworld.netfirms.com/.....chlidae/La...a_dorsigera.htm

as i said before the line disappeared and reappeared i think it was a mood thing

January 6, 2011
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QUOTE (JazzBora150 @ Jan 6 2011, 05:21 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
could this be it?

http://aquaworld.netfirms.com/.....chlidae/La...a_dorsigera.htm

as i said before the line disappeared and reappeared i think it was a mood thing

Ah, the wonders of the www and it's ability to get things wrong.....

The fish pictured in the link you give is not Laetacara dorsigera, it's an Aequidens of one form or another (which matches what the good folks here have already identified your mystery fish as).

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January 6, 2011
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QUOTE (JazzBora150 @ Jan 6 2011, 05:21 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
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as i said before the line disappeared and reappeared i think it was a mood thing

Yes, the lateral band will come and go. All to do with mood, dominance, current focus etc.

Andrew

January 6, 2011
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thanks for that andrew

well not to worry he has be replaced with 3 other fish and i know the name of one of them is right: ancistrus

the other 2 were sold as a pair i think they are apistogramma

but i am expecting to be wrong

January 6, 2011
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You've probably already figured out that the answer to you original question is a resounding NO! Most fish shop owners IME(of course there are exceptions)are interested in selling you something first and foremost whether or not is fits your situation. My best advice would be to take your camera to the shop if you can, find fish that you like, return here with all the info you can gather and let folks help ID & determine their needs & compatibility before you buy. Most of us learn this the hard way /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

January 6, 2011
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yes plaamoo

your right i have figured that out now

the same dealer whilst offering me a replacement for the neon muncher sold me these 2 little chaps which i think are apisto gramma

am i right ?

sold as a pair

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January 6, 2011
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Yes, that's a pair of Apistogramma panduro (male in top pic, female in lower pic).

Andrew

January 6, 2011
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QUOTE (JazzBora150 @ Jan 6 2011, 07:12 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes plaamoo

your right i have figured that out now

the same dealer whilst offering me a replacement for the neon muncher sold me these 2 little chaps which i think are apisto gramma

am i right ?

sold as a pair

I am stunned; the first time you got unknown fish which turned out to be a horror story, you go back and take with new, again unknown fish... /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> Sorry but I have to ask...why!? My advice would be; research first, then buy. Better be safe than sorry /thumbs_up.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbsup:" border="0" alt="thumbs_up.gif" />

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Have to agree, really. *shrugs*

Same for any animal.

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January 6, 2011
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again i was told they would be ok by dealer and told they dont grow any more than 2"

is that statement from the dealer correct and that it is ok for community tank?

i was also not offered a refund so i wasnt just gonna hand them back a fish and walk away

i take it this displeases you

although they do seem very happy in their new home and believe me ive been watching very carefully.

but ive learnt by this and will ask people that know (and thats you guys) before i add any more to my tank

many thanks

January 6, 2011
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@ stefan & matt

im new to this end of fishkeeping and to be truthful all fish are unknown to me

i jumped in to a hobby i know nothing about thinking it couldnt be that much different to koi keeping

which i did really well at. showing fish at koi shows and had a few champions in all ireland koi shows

but this is totally different with different fish having different needs

i just havnt got my head round that yet

my bad but i will get there

January 6, 2011
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You'll be fine; I'm sure most of us have been there at some point /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

January 7, 2011
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QUOTE (JazzBora150 @ Jan 6 2011, 10:57 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ stefan & matt

im new to this end of fishkeeping and to be truthful all fish are unknown to me

i jumped in to a hobby i know nothing about thinking it couldnt be that much different to koi keeping

which i did really well at. showing fish at koi shows and had a few champions in all ireland koi shows

but this is totally different with different fish having different needs

i just havnt got my head round that yet

my bad but i will get there

I think you´re doing everything right! You are asking more expereinced fishkeepers (at least concerning tropicals since you´ve been keeping koi) their advice which is more than the average fishkeeper does.
I´m still a newbie when it comes to fiskeeping but if one just asks and search for advice one can keep even the most hard-to-keep fishes in no time.

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