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  • #301863

    Jarcave
    Participant

    Are any SF members attending Aquatics Live this weekend?

    #346157

    poshsouthernbird
    Participant

    There was a thread on it a while back, although admittedly nothing definite from anyone at the time http://www.seriouslyfish.com/forums/index….l=aquatics+live

    I’ll be there, but you know that!

    #346159

    Colin
    Participant

    strongly doubt it!

    #346160

    ste12000
    Member

    The British cichlid association(Im part of the committee) are attending with a stand and flyers ect.. Make sure you pop over to support them.

    Unfortunately it was too expensive a trip for me so ill continue being a tight northerner moaning about the cost of fuel and accomodation in central London

    #346168

    Jarcave
    Participant

    QUOTE (ste12000 @ Nov 18 2011, 10:33 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
    The British cichlid association(Im part of the committee) are attending with a stand and flyers ect.. Make sure you pop over to support them.

    Unfortunately it was too expensive a trip for me so ill continue being a tight northerner moaning about the cost of fuel and accomodation in central London

    #346169

    Matt
    Keymaster

    For some reason the atmosphere surrounding the build-up to it left me feeling a bit ‘meh’ but agree it would be great if it develops into something worthwhile for hobbyists/societies/small businesses as well as the big brands.

    Was it busy Jared?

    #346171

    Jarcave
    Participant

    Was it busy? I was there on saturday only. Sue was there both days so her opinion on sunday would be most welcome.

    I’d say it was brisk at times. The exhibition halls (upstairs and downstairs) are quite large and so there was plenty of room for people to move about. I went to the last two IHS reptile shows at Doncaster Dome this november and in september. There, you can hardly breathe. The place gets rammed, very hot and it’s difficult to get to some of the stalls for a good look around. Aquatics Live was not like that. The reptile fairs have lots of animals for sale. AL had none. I’m certain if people were selling fish, then things would be very different.

    I think for the ‘scratched tank, foam filter, breeder / keeper’ type it was lacking. I’d have liked to see many more rare and unusual fish on display. But this will only happen if the specialist societies jump on the bandwagon. I know the organisers tried to get more fish though. My kid sister is the sales manager for a large importer. The event organisers have tried several times to get her company to exhibit their fish. But as they are a wholesaler and it wasn’t a trade event like Aqua in Telford, they don’t really have much to gain by attending. I did think Neil Hardy may have been there though, his trade stalls are always great, but sadly he wasn’t.

    Maybe the organisers could benefit from an aquatics society auction, to get around the legalities of selling fish publically? Or even a bit of an open show? I know the latter can be controversial. but done correctly it would get more fish in Olympia and the public would see more fish. And who doesn’t enjoy the odd fish auction club style?

    Sorry, waffling a bit there…. lol

    #346172

    ste12000
    Member

    QUOTE (Jarcave @ Nov 21 2011, 08:41 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
    Haha, hotel with parking £135, fuel £60, entry £10 etc….

    Yeah not the cheapest day out, but I got to spend time with friends and meet people so all in all it was a good day out.

    For £200 id rather take the family out somewhere nice..

    To be honest i didnt see much enthusiasm for the event in the buildup and even less in the aftermath. Where’s all the photos and glowing reports? in this digital age it should be headline news across the online hobby.. Its lucky to attract 2 or three forum posts across here and the BCA forums that i visit!

    Non are really enthusiastic?

    At over £200 to attend for the weekend they seriously need a rethink, the UK is currently in a poor position with most households seriously worried about rising bills ect, the hobby is very quiet this year and ive never known so many people drop out of the hobby due to bills, job losses ect ect.. Even a single tank in someones living room can be cause for family arguements when the electricity bill is increasing year in year out.

    Im lucky in that i attend numerous auctions and shows throughout the year, i meet up with aquatic freinds on a regular basis so dont need to travel to London for the pleasure. How about people on Seriouslyfish meeting up at the midland charity auction in December? this is a well ran auction with some superb fish, most of the big names in the hobby attend and its all for a good cause, id rather support events like this than large and overpriced trade shows like aquatics live.

    #346174

    Jarcave
    Participant

    I didn’t have to stay over. I just chose to do so as I was meeting up with and travelling with friends etc, plus my car has really crappy fuel economy, but it’s going at the end of this month, so it could be done for a lot less. And it’s all tax deductible according to my accountant, so it’s not as bad as the figures seem to suggest.

    My Ebay sales are comparable to two years ago, despite me replacing the JJC Aquatics shop with Biotope Aquatics and PNA, my sisters company are expanding too, so I don’t think the hobby is doing too badly when you consider no one needs an aquarium. Things could be far worse. Though we have been squeezed with supplier price increases, higher freight charges and as always, an increase in postal costs. How are you doing these days?

    When is the midlands doo? I might be able to make it if it’s early december.

    #346175

    ste12000
    Member

    QUOTE (Jarcave @ Nov 21 2011, 10:23 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
    I didn’t have to stay over. I just chose to do so as I was meeting up with and travelling with friends etc, plus my car has really crappy fuel economy, but it’s going at the end of this month, so it could be done for a lot less. And it’s all tax deductible according to my accountant, so it’s not as bad as the figures seem to suggest.

    My Ebay sales are comparable to two years ago, despite me replacing the JJC Aquatics shop with Biotope Aquatics and PNA, my sisters company are expanding too, so I don’t think the hobby is doing too badly when you consider no one needs an aquarium. Things could be far worse. Though we have been squeezed with supplier price increases, higher freight charges and as always, an increase in postal costs. How are you doing these days?

    When is the midlands doo? I might be able to make it if it’s early december.

    Im good thanks mate, keeping my head above water and enjoying both my work and hobby.. Still into the fish with both feet and still breeding on average of 5-6 species per week, sometimes more sometimes less but enjoying every second in the fishroom.

    Im glad you enjoyed the weekend, im sure i would of also as it is what you make it afterall.. A weekend surrounded by fellow fishkeepers is not a bad way to spend ones precious time! However im a bit disapointed by the aftermath.. I dont know if i expected too much but i thought there would be photos everywhere, afterall we live in the digital age where facebook, twitter and forums rule most peoples lives.. Only one person that i know of has put up any pics of the weekends event.

    A bit disapointing for us that were to tight to travel

    #346176

    poshsouthernbird
    Participant

    There’s quite a bit of stuff appearing online now, there’s some stuff on FB http://www.facebook.com/#!/AquaticsLive and a long thread on PFK with some very positive feedback http://forum.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/sh…395&page=17 /smile.gif” style=”vertical-align:middle” emoid=”:)” border=”0″ alt=”smile.gif” /> We have to bear in mind it was the first attempt so was always going to be ‘testing the water’ as it were. It was certainly quite busy, Saturday seemed busier than Sunday, we just went round all the stands on the Saturday and had a good nosey at the aquascaping competition (I went back on Sunday and took pics of them all finished as I have a tank the same size needing inspiration!). Sunday morning there were people queuing outside before opening time. I went to two of the seminars on Sunday by Dave Hulse which for me were very good – not too scientific and not too dumbed down. Sunday I had more time to talk to some of the people there, spent ages with the chap that does the images for Reef One and had a really encouraging conversation with him. Also spent a while with Star Fisheries and Frances from the GSGB on Sunday. Had a really good chat with Jules and Mats from planetcatfish on Saturday. Spent a while talking to Nathan Hill on Sunday which was interesting, he was very chatty despite probably having been collared by people all weekend. So from the point of view of getting to talk to other hobbyists, traders/retailers/manufacturers in person it was great /smile.gif” style=”vertical-align:middle” emoid=”:)” border=”0″ alt=”smile.gif” /> I’d have liked to have done more seminars but I just didn’t get myself organised with what I wanted to do in time! They were very popular though, some of them were quite crowded.

    The organisers were keen to find out what people wanted to see, Nathan also asked what would have made it better so hopefully all the feedback will go into making it bigger and better next year. Some of the club stands could have been a little more appealing to draw people in but again it was only the first attempt so perhaps people will want to capitalise a bit more on the captive audience of enthusiasts next year. Nathan commented on the number of younger people (25-35 sort of range) who were there and said it was quite different from the sort of audience he might have expected a few years ago.

    I asked Nathan about having some stuff about conservation projects as I think that would be a great way to raise awareness about that side of fishkeeping, maybe that could be something that could be included along with the club stands side of things /smile.gif” style=”vertical-align:middle” emoid=”:)” border=”0″ alt=”smile.gif” />

    #346185

    Matt
    Keymaster

    To me the show seemed to be set up pretty much as PFK appears to be these days i.e. offering next to nothing for the more experienced hobbyist but strongly geared towards new fishkeepers and those into the aquascaping hobby. Not sure an auction or fish sale would necessarily alter that…

    #346187

    poshsouthernbird
    Participant

    Someone did comment that the aquascaping side of things seemed to be one of the ‘trends’ in the hobby at the moment. I guess it’s a difficult balance to get right first time round. For me it was good, but then I’m not as experienced as many when it comes to things like fish species etc. as I’ve not branched out beyond goldfish. I suppose to a certain degree they are catering for the perceived audience, and if PFK is the yardstick then perhaps there won’t be seen to be as much demand for more unusual stuff, or things for more experienced hobbyists. I think the club side of things could make a lot more of it than they did, so perhaps that’s a way forward for expanding what’s on offer for the more experienced.

    Long term any show like that can’t just recycle the same stuff year on year, all you’ll end up with is a slightly transient audience who go a few times and then find little more to interest them next time round if it’s all the same. You can’t just rely on a constant supply of beginers. But it’s a bit of a Catch 22 thing, if the experienced ones don’t go then there won’t be anything for them, but if there’s nothing for them they won’t go …

    I’ve never been to the Motor Show so I don’t know if this is a reasonable parallel to draw but … I’d guess you won’t find much at the Motor Show to interest the Morgan owners’ club, or Morris Minor owners’ club but if those clubs had stands at the show with some of their cars I bet they’d get a lot of interest.

    I don’t know whether being able to sell livestock would make much of a difference, I didn’t buy any bikes at Cycle after all (the cyclists’ equivalent of AL). But I do think there is a lot that could be done, especially by the non-trade side of the hobby, to highlight their special interests etc.

    Perhaps the show will take on board some of the feedback and look to add in things that will attract a wider audience? I’d like to think the organisers would be open to direct approaches from anyone wanting to include something specific. I think it could be what the hobby makes of it, if there is seen to be a demand for certain things then you’d like to think they would try to include them

    #346239

    Jarcave
    Participant

    QUOTE (Matt @ Nov 22 2011, 08:34 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
    To me the show seemed to be set up pretty much as PFK appears to be these days i.e. offering next to nothing for the more experienced hobbyist but strongly geared towards new fishkeepers and those into the aquascaping hobby. Not sure an auction or fish sale would necessarily alter that…

    It’s certainly changed over the years. No one would argue with that. I still believe the loss of the previous editor is responsible for the downward turn forum and magazine wise. And I certainly don’t believe everything I read in it these days! Did you read the article on live feeding? I had a forum discussion with Nathan Hill on the subject which was quite interesting, and quite lengthy. I’m still convinced the article is not entirely accurate.

    As for the show, I don’t think you’d have liked the big flashy tank manufacturers stands. These would not have looked out of place at the ideal home exhibition which was going on at the same time.

    I think it was FBAS that had tanks set up to demonstrate different breeding set ups, which looked quite good. Sadly they never looked very busy though. I think an auction would be an education to many. If one of the bigger clubs organised it, that could at least get a few real aquarists involved. I’m not really sure how you’d get more there. Other than selling fish etc. Maybe if Neil Hardy and Pier took some of their rarer stock for sale etc, that might pull a few more punters in?

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