LOGIN

RSS Facebook Twitter YouTube
GLOSSARY       

SEARCHGLOSSARY

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

PROFILESEARCH

Artificial Ph Adjusters

Home Forums Fresh and Brackish Water Fishes Artificial Ph Adjusters

This topic contains 15 replies, has 9 voices, and was last updated by  mickthefish 9 years, 11 months ago.

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 16 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #299889

    ndc
    Participant

    anyone used artificial ph adjusters , like blackwater tonic to lower ph? what have they been like in terms of keeping the water perameters stable? is there much of a fluctuation?

    #311225

    dunc
    Keymaster

    Check Haji’s recent post in his project thread. He uses pH Down.

    Personally I was always told to avoid anything like it, but then.. that was by people that would keep angels at “room temp”. So who knows

    #311226

    mickthefish
    Participant

    personally i avoid using them, i just use natural methods ok they might take a bit of time but eventually they do the desired effect, to reduce the ph i use one of three of these oak or almond leaves, peat, or a well rotted down piece of bogwood.
    to raise the ph and hardness i use tufa rock or coral gravel, the last i put in the external filter as the water passes through it all the time.
    as a quick fix if the ph has really gone down i use bicarb of soda but it holds the ph for a certain amount of time.

    mick

    #311230

    Mark Duffill
    Participant

    Same as Mick, I use natural methods rather than artificial ph adjusters.

    The water around us is prone to ph swings so I have a little coral sand in most of my tanks to act as a buffer and use Almond leaves or peat to bring ph down.

    #311231

    Matt
    Keymaster

    I use a product that is supposed to be used for growing plants hydroponically. It’s 90-odd% Phosphoric acid and works really well but you have to be careful and add it drop-by-drop. I always use leaf litter or pure peat fibre (not the garden centre stuff) in my softwater tanks as well.

    #311236

    ndc
    Participant

    ive always done the same (with the natural methods) and to be honest i never sold any of the artificial adjusters when i had the shop because i didnt think they were worth using – just thought id get 1st hand knowledge – i think ill just add another couple of big bits of bogwood instead. the ph is about 6.5 now – i was hoping to get it a little lower (just under the 6 or just on the 6) but keeping it stable as well which is the problem in acidic tanks.

    #311237

    ndc
    Participant

    do the oak/almond leaves just need changing when they degrade too much? how long do they last?

    #311238

    Matt
    Keymaster

    Just leave them in Neill. They break down slowly over a few weeks. You could add a net bag to the filter if you don’t want them in the tank.

    #311239

    keith565
    Participant

    i used to use humaquat but my tap water has so much buffer in, it took a lot to get the ph down, so now i use rainwater which is perfect for the wild bettas. i change my almond leaves when they disintergrate but leave the oak leaves in as they tend not to disintergrate as much.

    #311241

    ndc
    Participant

    think they might look quite good in the tank anyways ? ill have to get some to try

    #311286

    Haji Badaruddin
    Participant

    Hi guys,

    Last month,i use some peat soil which i placed in a mesh bag and soak them in a few tanks.I have also collected some leaf litters from the area ie brownorum habitat in Matang.I then transfered my albimarginata which is wild caught from Malinau,Kalimanatan.Two days later … i lost abt 8 tanks of these albis.In total thats about 160 albis /wacko.gif” style=”vertical-align:middle” emoid=”:wacko:” border=”0″ alt=”wacko.gif” />

    Lessons learned,i will still use these peat soil but i would try on only a few tanks first before i do it to the other tanks.

    I would like to get some feedback on the disadvantages of using the pH down

    #311291

    ndc
    Participant

    the only reason i dont like ph down etc is because its a lot of work to keep everything stable – i use a hose from the tap for the 400 litre tank which gets abot 150 litres changed every week – i cant put this in buckets then add the ph down so the ph would fluctuate greatly in the tank – if it was a amall tank then i think it would be ok

    #311294

    Eyrie
    Participant

    If I remember correctly the problem with pH down products is that, although they lower the pH, they don’t affect the hardness of the water. Hardness is more important due to osmotic regulation.

    Any comments?

    #311297

    keith565
    Participant

    QUOTE (Eyrie @ Oct 26 2008, 11:18 AM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
    If I remember correctly the problem with pH down products is that, although they lower the pH, they don’t affect the hardness of the water. Hardness is more important due to osmotic regulation.

    Any comments?


    you are spot on, the problem is with the buffers in the water, ph down and such can drop ph, but have no buffers to keep it there, so if you have water like mine, full of disolved metals and minerals, the ph will creep back up in hours, thus stressing the fish.

    #311298

    oaken
    Participant

    QUOTE (Eyrie @ Oct 26 2008, 12:18 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
    If I remember correctly the problem with pH down products is that, although they lower the pH, they don’t affect the hardness of the water. Hardness is more important due to osmotic regulation.

    Any comments?

    They will certainly affect the kH-value, but not dH.

    One thing I think a lot of aquarists look past is the conductivity of the water. A lot of fish breed during the rainy season, and rain water has a very low conductivity, so using RO-water and rain water is usually a good trigger to get fish to breed. And most of these soft water fish we all like to keep and breed comes from waters with extremely low conductivity in general. This was a bit off topic, though.

    Haji: Personally I always boil peat before I add it to the tank, just to be safe.. I do use it as a substrate in many tanks without any problems though.

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 16 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.