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Burmese blood Red Danio (really a Devario)

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    BillT
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    I picked up 4 of these when I finally got up to Portland last weekend and could actually see them.
    Depending on the lighting they look more or less reddish. Light from above makes them look reddish, more from the side and they are more yellow and less red.

    They are the size of giant danios (a Devario) .
    To me they seem like a large reddish Devario devario, but if anyone has other ideas, I would like to hear them.
     
    Here are some pictures showing the them in lighting showing either red or less red conditions:

    male, reddish:

    IMG_7802-4.jpg

    males, not reddish:

    IMG_7818-2.jpg

     

    female, reddish:

     

    IMG_7918-3.jpg

    female, less reddish:IMG_7855-2.jpg

    #353021

    BillT
    Participant

    Just got about 10 eggs from these guys in an egg trap.

    Expect I will get more later.

    Here is a picture of my “naturalistic” set-up in which they bred

    (30 G tank, large egg trap w/ fake plastic plants, box filter with extended lift tube):

     

    IMG_8074.jpg

     

    #353025

    oaken
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    Nice fish. Are those actually plastic plants made for aquariums? Or is it your own design? Laugh

    #353026

    BillT
    Participant

    They are my own design.

    Green plastic cheerleader pompons, cut into quarters and heat glued to the mesh on top of the box.

    The plastic is very flexible and floats so they “hang up” and move in the current.

    Stands up to bleaching fairly well.

    #353030

    Matt
    Keymaster

    Very nice-looking! Are these the fish we were discussing a few months ago Bill? I still think this is Devario annandalei as suggested by Andy (I think?)  at the time.

    #353036

    BillT
    Participant

    Very nice-looking! Are these the fish we were discussing a few months ago Bill? I still think this is Devario annandalei as suggested by Andy (I think?)  at the time.

     

    I think they are the same fish. I got them from the Wet Spot in Portland. After looking at a picture of annandalei at Pete Cottel’s site (http://www.danios.info/fish/annandalei.aspx) I can see the similarity, however these guys have a lot of red. The picture there shows none.

     

    Not being an expert on Devarios, the things that most attract my attention for trying to figure out what they are include the redness (which I had some doubts about before I got hold of the fish), the general body shape, and the extent that the two yellow horizontal pigmentation lines extend forward toward the head before they break-up into dots and flecks of yellow. The redness is pretty intense in the tail and does not vary like the red on other parts of the body. The Devario annandalei have two of these yellow stripes, but the Devario devario only has one, so the annandalei may well be a better fit. Neither species pictures show the redness. Other Devarios with red (like chrysotaeniatus or laoensis) have redness but lack other features like the yellow lines stopping at about the front of the dorsal and anal fins and have a different shape in the head area.

     

    The eggs of these fish are smaller than I expected (I will have to measure them) and are somewhat adhesive.

    #353037

    andy rushworth
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    Hi Bill , you mention Laonensis ,I have a few left and though very nice don’t have the red colour of your Devario :) Its the appearance in general that reminds me of Annandalei but its not a fore gone conclusion by any means, there is a pic of an absolutely gorgeous specimen on FB ! I’ll try and find it and post it here !

     

     https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201674812940677&set=oa.491761100933905&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-frc3%2Ft31.0-8%2F10011628_10201674812940677_899441055_o.jpg&smallsrc=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2Ft1.0-9%2F1508590_10201674812940677_899441055_n.jpg&size=2038%2C1375

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201674812940677&set=oa.491761100933905&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-frc3%2Ft31.0-8%2F10011628_10201674812940677_899441055_o.jpg&smallsrc=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2Ft1.0-9%2F1508590_10201674812940677_899441055_n.jpg&size=2038%2C1375

    #353038

    BillT
    Participant

    Sounds very interesting Andy.

    I have never seen many of these fish in person.

     

    Sadly, the link you posted did not work for me.

    #353039

    andy rushworth
    Participant

    #353040

    andy rushworth
    Participant

    Hi Bill , my computing skills are quite basic :)  

    #353041

    oaken
    Participant

    Andy if you want to link to images on Facebook you should right click the image and select “copy image address”. 

    #353044

    BillT
    Participant

    Well that does look a lot like the fish I have.

    Mine has a darker red, but that could be some lighting or image processing effect.

    #353047

    Matt
    Keymaster

    We could use a copy of the D. annandalei description methinks…

    #353053

    BillT
    Participant

    We could use a copy of the D. annandalei description methinks…

    Here are three references on this I have found:

    Chaudhuri, B.L. 1908. Description of a new species of Danio from Lower Burma. Records of the Indian Museum 2(2): 125-126.

    Barman, R. P., 1985: On the type specimen of Danio Danio annandalei Chaudhuri, 1908 with a redescription of the species Pisces Cyprinidae. Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society 82.1: 221-224

    Kullander, F.F., 2001. Phylogeny and species diversity of the South and Southeast Asian cyprinid genus Danio Hamilton (Teleostei, Cyprinidae). Ph.D. Thesis-Stockholm University, Department of Zoology. p. 1-26. Sweden, Stockholm University. Department of Zoology.

     

    I have the last one (An introduction to FF Kullander’s thesis), but only pages 7-26. This part does not have any description.

    #353054

    Matt
    Keymaster

    I have the second one and didn’t even realise! Will send it over.

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