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    poshsouthernbird
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    Hi – can anyone help with IDing a mystery plant? I bought it in April 2008 as part of a pack of mixed crypts so I assumed it was a crypt of some sort but I’ve no idea what sort, or even if it really is one. I keep goldfish and this is one plant they haven’t eaten so I want some more! If I tell you that the rest of the plants in that set up have long since been eaten (admittedly not the onion thing, that just died) you’ll see why I’d like to know what this one is

    These are some pics of it now, again, not terribly good as I have two tanks next to each other in an L shape and the reflections etc. are terrible. Not to mention as soon as I went near the tank all the fish came to see me /smile.gif” style=”vertical-align:middle” emoid=”:)” border=”0″ alt=”smile.gif” />

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    #341311

    Bully
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    Looks like an Aponogeton crispus to me

    #341313

    Jarcave
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    Agree with Bully. I had 50 arrive from Singapore last night that look identical!

    #341314

    poshsouthernbird
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    Thanks for the replies /smile.gif” style=”vertical-align:middle” emoid=”:)” border=”0″ alt=”smile.gif” /> Will report back …

    Cheers, P

    #341315

    Bully
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    It seems to be a hardy plant, mine has been quite abused. I pruned it back almost to nothing once, then promptly forgot about it and covered it with some river stones and some bogwood, and it still grew through it all. Curiously, my supposed plant-eaters don’t bother this plant at all. They also won’t eat my Java fern and Crinum thaianum, so those are other plants you could try with your goldfish, that they may not eat. My fish don’t actually eat the softer leaved plants, they just like to uproot them

    #341318

    Jarcave
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    They go in our mixed plant packs Sue. Crinum thaianum (thai onion plants) are very tough. You could also look at some of the Microsorium pteropus variants such as ‘narrow leaf’ or ‘windelov’. The latter especially is more attractive IMHO anyway. What temperature is your tank running at? I can think of a few tough species that would probably survive the goldies, but not so sure about the temperatures without double checking. That said…

    Spatterdocks (Nuphar japonica) should be OK once they’ve grown on a bit and would make an attractive centre piece potentially. You may even get them to flower. I’ve seen these planted in temperate areas in the states and they seemed to be doing OK, pretty well actually as they were flowering. The bulbs can take a bit of effort to plant securely without being dug up though. And they’re very big.

    Aponogeton ulvaceous may also be a contender as they are OK down to 20c. Again, these are fairly sturdy and grow very fast. I’ve had them grow at 5″ + per day! These will also flower if given a bit of attention. But I suppose their success will largely be down to whether or not the goldies let them become established first or not.

    Aponogeton longiplumulosus is similar to the ulvaceous mentioned above but will be OK down to just 18c. This also flowers but with purple flowers as opposed to yellow like ulvaceous. These are quite attractive but rarely seen for sale. None of the three species I’ve mentioned are especially ‘cheap’, but you could try them. All reach a good size but should be ideal for your goldy tanks, assuming they don’t get eaten! lol Do you have a tank with smaller fish in that are less likely to attack them while they become established? I’m not sure if the goldies would eat any resultant flowers though? Just a thought….

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    Matt
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    Nice tank Sue.

    #341334

    poshsouthernbird
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    Wow – loads of things to have a google on! The aponogeton certainly sounds worth a try. Temps are 22-24, I have a heater to stop it going lower than 22. PH is about 7.6/7.8 if that makes a difference and water is hard. I don’t have a planting medium nowadays and the gravel is about 1-2 inches deep. I find they just dig too much to have anything under the gravel, the biggest can easily get through an inch in one go! I do have some fertiliser, JBL ferropol and another JBL one you dose daily, can’t remember the name of it now. Haven’t used them yet as had a few health issues with the fish recently and didn’t want to go adding stuff to the water until they got sorted. They are improving now though so maybe will look at ferts again. I have UV sterilisers too, don’t know if that affects plants, can’t imagine it would? I would say the lighting is mediocre – it’s two fluorescent tubes, Hagen ones – sun-glo and flora-glo. Any more than that and the water gets too warm for the goldies.

    Have got some java fern on bogwood already – one is the ‘normal’ one and one has frilly leaves, is that the windelov you’re talking about Jared? They grow fine but the fish do pull them off, although having tied them back on with fishing line they’re finding it tougher to rip them off again! Could have some more, have got some large bits of bogwood that are just sitting about as decoration, they could have something tied to them.

    I’ve got a 70 litre tank I was going to use as a ‘plant nursery’, it’s a Tropiquarium 68, plug and play thing. The lighting is ok so should be ok for growing thiings on. Will have to get myself into gear and set it up. One of the tanks has smaller fish, the plants in there do get less of a battering and I swap plants between them so they get a chance to recover a bit.

    I had a crinium, you might be able to make it out in the back of the top pic. The bottom of the bulb rotted and it was really very unpleasant and smelly! Not sure why it went like that though, the leaves did well. Probably worth another try /smile.gif” style=”vertical-align:middle” emoid=”:)” border=”0″ alt=”smile.gif” /> And now I have plenty of room for some bigger plants so hopefully will be able to find something large and robust

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    Jarcave
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    Well with that water you could possibly consider the following Crinum species. Just bear in mind that they’re happy with temperatures down to 24c and pH upto 7.5 so you’re on the edge of their preffered conditions :-

    Crinum natans
    Crinum natans ‘Crispus’ The plant that most people believe to be true Crinum natans.
    Crinum calamistratum

    All are fairly slow growing. All grow large and so are ideal for a tank your size. I can’t guarantee they won’t get eaten, but calamistratum is certaily very tough. It’s also one of the more costly plants though. They make stunning specimen plants like the aforementioned Aponogeton species.

    I’m confident they’ll be OK with your lighting as well. All are hardy and even capable of tolerating mildly brackish water!

    To be honest Sue, you have a fair amount of scope. A nice big tank means you can keep a lot of plants that grow too big for smaller aquaria.

    The wavy java fern you refer to will be the cultivar known as ‘windelov’.

    As for fertilisers, I’d probably add a few root tabs underneath the larger plants and possibly a liquid fertiliser without added Nitrogen and Phosphorus as I’m sure the goldies will produce enough of that (added to the food they won’t eat being messy sods) and you’ll run the risk of algae if there is two much of these two. Sounds easy in theory…. lol

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    poshsouthernbird
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    Thanks for that, will get googling and make myself a shopping list /smile.gif” style=”vertical-align:middle” emoid=”:)” border=”0″ alt=”smile.gif” />

    QUOTE (Jarcave @ Feb 24 2011, 04:43 PM) < {POST_SNAPBACK}>
    As for fertilisers, I’d probably add a few root tabs underneath the larger plants and possibly a liquid fertiliser without added Nitrogen and Phosphorus as I’m sure the goldies will produce enough of that (added to the food they won’t eat being messy sods) and you’ll run the risk of algae if there is two much of these two. Sounds easy in theory…. lol

    There is no such thing as food a goldie won’t eat! They eat everything and then trawl the tank looking for any last spec of anything, then start on the plants …

    #341361

    Jarcave
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    They won’t get every last tiny crumb.

    #341394

    poshsouthernbird
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    Have just checked the JBL stuff, definitely no added N/P so will give that a go and see what happens – thanks

    #341833

    poshsouthernbird
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    I think I may found another possibility for the mystery plant, it does look very similar to the aponogeton but I wonder if it is a cryptocoryne aponogetifolia? It’s not quite frilly enough for the pic Bully kindly posted. But it did help, I found a link for the crypt and thought aha! The aponogeton thing is a clue! Oh dear, what a shame – looks like I’m going to have to buy a fair few different plants for compare and contrast purposes, lol

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