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Julidochromis marksmithi, A New Species of Julidochromis from the Tanzanian Coast of Lake Tanganyika

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    Stefan
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    Julidochromis marksmithi, A New Species of Julidochromis from the Tanzanian Coast of Lake Tanganyika

     

    Tanganika Magazyn, 15: 40-49 (no online link)

    #353875

    nuchal man
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    I would like to give this a read if anyone has it. On a side note, people really need to stop describing species in  non-peer reviewed journals and hobbyist magazines. 

    #353876

    Stefan
    Member

    You’re very right! I’m pretty sure there’s a rule against it?

    #353882

    Erwin
    Participant

    No such rules exist, what for should they. Science is free. Even in the best peer reviewed journals mistakes happen. There’s no big difference between a good hobbyist journal and a scientific journal. The article itself makes the difference. Just read the rules: http://iczn.org/iczn/index.jsp

    #353889

    nuchal man
    Participant

    I’m not going to disagree that mistakes happen in even the best peer reviewed journals, they do, however, having it reviewed by reviewers who are competent and active in the field is a big difference than an editor for hobbyist journal especially in terms of weeding out bad taxonomy, methods, or lackluster diagnoses. I therefore disagree a lot about there being little difference between a good hobbyist and scientific journal. Being someone who has manuscripts in review at peer reviewed publication, it is not an easy or relatively fast process (and yes, sometimes you get bad reviewers who don’t know their stuff). Although I don’t to directly  work on taxonomy and do more phylogenetic and functional studies, I imagine that it is still pretty rigorous submitting it to a peer reviewed taxonomy journal.

    Think about how many poor hobbyist descriptions there have been historically in aquarium literature over the years, there are many (there are some that are fine as well). That doesn’t mean there aren’t any really awful peer reviewed descriptions as well because there are, but a hobbyist magazine is less likely to have an editorial and review process that will have the manuscript looked at by individual reviewers who are active and and experienced taxonomists to see if the work is sound. There is also nothing stopping anyone from submitting their work to a peer reviewed journal.

    #353941

    Matt
    Keymaster

    I agree with you Sam – many of the descriptions in hobbyist literature are also nigh on impossible to get hold of post-publication!

    P.S. would also like to read the paper if anyone gets it.

    #353711

    Erwin
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    Folks, you simply do not look outside the box. Zoology is not only fish and there are not only aquarium fish, where many people know something about it. Just think about insects, there it may happen that there is only one expert in the whole world for a particular group. Who should review his work? But one must not go that far, even in fish, there are groups nobody works on them. I recently heard that the material of the first German deep-sea expedition (Valdivia) from 1898/1899 is still not fully processed, because experts are missing. Or have a look in Zootaxa, at present the most well-known journal, who is currently in charge of African freshwater fish? An editor for this section doesn’t show up on their web page ( http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/taxa/Pisces.html ). The review in scientific journals refers often only to whether the rules are being followed or not. The actual content can not be judged by many reviewers.

    #353947

    coelacanth
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    Post-publication though, the material should ideally be easily available for other researchers and other interested parties. This is from a group of organisms where there’s international trade, and much interest in new taxa by hobbyists at all levels of expertise, where species identification may be important in an environment of increasing legislation, and where’s there’s not really any justification for publishing in an obscure aquarium journal.

    #354002

    Matt
    Keymaster

    @coelacanth said:
    Post-publication though, the material should ideally be easily available for other researchers and other interested parties.

    This is the problem for me, not the identity of the author or journal title.

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