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Male Apistogramma panduro

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  • #301249

    JazzBora150
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    hi
    ive noticed for sometime now that my male apistogramma panduro is hanging in the water and clamped up
    he does swim about freely but generally just hangs
    he does seem to be flicking gill plate on surfaces to clear an irritation

    im thinking he maybe has gill flukes but surely this would spread to rest of tank
    but this appears to not be the case as this has been ongoing and no other fish showing same symtoms
    he is however doing damage to his gill plate while trying to rid the irritation

    can anyone suggest anything else and a medication to solve issue

    i used to keep koi but all the medicines we use for koi are not suitable for tropicals

    thanks

    martin

    #342158

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    would it be wise to add tonic salt?

    and has anyone got an idea of how much salt to add

    #342160

    Colin
    Participant

    don’t medicate until you knwo what you are treating for… first off, pH???

    #342163

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    NO3=0
    NO2=0
    GH=16
    KH=3
    pH=7.6
    Cl2=0

    if these help

    Attached files

    #342166

    Colin
    Participant

    yes…

    pH should be somewhere about 5 and GH about 1 for a softwater acidophilic fish like this to do well. I kept and bred mine between pH 4 and 5

    Time to lower the pH

    cheers

    #342168

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    is lowering the ph going to suit the rest of the tankmates though
    i will have to look into this
    find it odd that its only the male whos affected not doubting your input but the female is always as bright as a button

    ill check all the ranges for all fish tomorrow

    thx martin

    #342175

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    would i be correct in saying that a simple ph down product will only work short term as the water will buffer itself back up and that all i will end up doing is putting more chemicals into my tank. ive also concluded today that i want to bring my ph down to 6
    im aware this is the top end for my apistogrammas but its the bottom end for the majority of my fish

    how can i swing the ph so that it is stable as this is most important to fish health

    anyone suggest good products for this

    current tap water ph=7.8

    #342195

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    at what rate is it acceptable to lower the ph value

    ie from 7.8 to 6 in how long ?

    #342198

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    again i refer to my koi keeping days
    i have used vinegar to lower ph in the past
    just added until desired level is reached
    can the same be used in tropical fish keeping?

    #342202

    Colin
    Participant

    I use phosphoric acid 81% from hyrdoponics guys on eBay

    I would NOT add it directly to a tank with fish in it though, perhaps a series of water changes over a couple of weeks would be better

    #342295

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    been slowly dropping the ph but ive stopped now as i dont think its the problem

    danio rerio still dying lost 2 since last post

    and another looks likely and the A. panduro looking no better still hanging in water nose down most of the time

    more suggestions needed

    #342338

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    i have now noticed that the water has buffered the ph back to where i started

    now what option do i have

    is RO the next option? how easy is it to use? i think i recall somewhere that its to pure to use on its own so a mix is required
    this is something i know absolutely nothing about and worries me a bit as it will be an expense to get it

    or i could get rid of the A. panduro and save myself a lot of problems (dont like defeat though)

    open to suggestions

    #342339

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    i have now noticed that the water has buffered the ph back to where i started

    now what option do i have

    is RO the next option? how easy is it to use? i think i recall somewhere that its to pure to use on its own so a mix is required
    this is something i know absolutely nothing about and worries me a bit as it will be an expense to get it

    or i could get rid of the A. panduro and save myself a lot of problems (dont like defeat though)

    open to suggestions

    #342341

    Bluedave
    Participant

    You’ve lost a few fish recently haven’t you mate?

    How about back to basics – was the tank fully cycled before adding fish? Do you carry out regular water changes? Is there anything that could have affected the filter etc? Whats the temperature of the water?

    What have you got in the tank in terms of substrate, plants, decor etc?

    I’m not sure playing with water chemistry is the way forward, think there must be an underlying problem somewhere.

    #342359

    JazzBora150
    Participant

    yes tank was cycled
    water changes done every sunday
    i dont think that there is anything that could of affected filter i only clean half filter at a time
    water temp 25c
    substrate is betta aquarium gravel
    plants only 2 plants 1 amazon sword and 1 green cabomba
    rocks holy rock i think its called
    wood i large and 1 small bogwood
    and thats about it really

    thanks dave hope this gives you an idea

    martin

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