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Anabantid choice for paludarium.

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  • #303508

    Joaoavo
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    Hello everyone,

    This is my first post in this forum, so I apologize if I’m breaking any introduction rules or something. Lately SF has been my go-to site for fish intel, and I believe it has one of the best databases around.

    Anyway, I’ve been planning my comeback to fishkeeping with a biotope-style paludarium measuring 80x40x50 cm (32x16x20 in), which I will fill with 80L (~21g), equivalent to half of its volume (~25 cm water column). I decided to go with some anabantoids, since I believe thay fit quite well in this type of setup. Also, I have some Amano shrimp that I have to keep because they are my girlfriend’s, and dwarf cichlids would surely rip them apart. Based on the setup and availability in my country, I selected the following species:

    Sphaerichthys osphromenoides (group of 6)

    or

    Trichopodus leerii (pair with a school of sympatric cyprinids)

    or

    Trichopsis pumila (group of 6-8 with a school of sympatric cyprinids)

    The decor will be largely composed of bogwood and leaf litter. For plants I will start with Java moss and Anubia barteri (that will be replaced for SE Asian plants that grow emersed, such as Hygrophila sp.).

    What do you guys think about the species I’ve selected? Will 6 chocolate gourami do well in a setup like this? And is it large enough for a pair or T. leerii)

    Cheers

    #353993

    george
    Participant

    If it’s your first time keeping anabantids, I would stay away from the chocolate gouramis. They are generally regarded as more fragile and require better water quality, better food (live if you can) and black, acidic water, along with peaceful tank mates as they are very shy. I would personally prefer the pearl gourami, but depending on how you set up your paludarium, they might feel a bit tight. A group of Trichopsis pumila would feel comfortable in a tank that size. 

    #353995

    Joaoavo
    Participant

    Thank for the input george.

    I am a somewhat experienced aquarist, so giving the chocolate gouramis the right conditions won’t be much of an issue. I kept and bred B. splendens and Macropodus opercularies before, and kept T. pumila without breeding a well. And cichlid-wise I also have experience with soft and acidic water since I bred rams and other dwarf cichlids as well.

    I agree that T. leerii might feel too tight, even if I filled the tank to the top, so I’ll probably abandon the idea of keeping them. T. pumila are interesting by I think they’re more adequate for a smaller tank, otherwise I’d rarely see them in a setup like the one I’m planning. Another anabantid I’m interested in is the Honey gourami (Trichogaster chuna), since I read it’s best to keep them in groups. Is this true? If so I will opt for the chocolate or the honey gourami, depending on the availability in my area.

    #353991

    Matt
    Keymaster

    Personally I would go for Trichopsis in a tank that size. Sounds like a very nice idea, and thanks for the kind words about the site!

    P.S. I have moved this thread into the appropriate forum. Wink

    #354021

    Joaoavo
    Participant

    Thanks Matt, I apologize for misplacing the thread.

    It seems that T. pumila is on the lead then. Except that I am still more inclined towards a bigger gourami, like the T. chuna. From my past experience with T. pumila I know that they will be hiding most of the time, and if the tank turns out the way I except, it will be densely decorated with wood and plants.

    #354023

    george
    Participant

    T.Chuna would be a good choice. Do you intend on keeping them with anything else?

    #354025

    Joaoavo
    Participant

    @george said:
    T.Chuna would be a good choice. Do you intend on keeping them with anything else?

    If I go with T. chuna I was planning on keeping a group of 4-6 with nothing else but some invertebrates. Since the beginning I intended to set this as a monospecific tank. However, if I finally decide on the T. pumila, I would consider introducing a school of small cyprinids to make the tank more lively.

    I am assuming that the tank is big enough for a group of T. chuna though. Based on the information of SF a tank with a base of 60*30 cm is big enough to house a small group. Mine is 80*40, and it’ll hold around 80L at half capacity. However it’s important for me that the fish are confortable so I’m still unsure and need your opinions

    Thanks again.

    #354172

    KittyKat
    Participant

    Trichopsis pumila is a beautiful fish which will maintain its own population in a heavily planted tank. At one point, I had a 48″ long tank where they bred regularly for about 10 years or so. I highly recommend them.

    #354176

    HeinB
    Participant

    hi Joaoavo,

    if you don’t mind the water getting very acidic, you can use beech leaf litter as I do, and then choco’s can do very well. i keep them in a paludarium-like (half filled) large tank for flowering crypts (black water types). Here, choco’s breed with no effort. However, not sure if your size tank is sufficient, they can be quite nasty to conspecs.

    BW Hein

    #354233

    Joaoavo
    Participant

    Hello everyone,

     

    Thank you all for the suggestions. In the end, all of my initial plans were abandoned. I decided to allow my girlfriend to have a choice in the fauna and ended up with an entirely different tank. For some reason she prefers dwarf cichlids and so I filled it up to full capacity and decided to go with a trio of F1 Apistogramma taeniata from a local breeder. As dither fish I have a school of Boraras maculatus (10 now, probably 10 more later on) and 8 Pangio semicincta as bottom dwellers.

    I haven’t given up on the anabantids though, so I will convince her to let me setup a smaller tank in the bedroom (since I let her choose most of the fauna in the other tankCool) to house a small group of Trichopsis pumila.

    #354248

    Matt
    Keymaster

    Sounds like a nice community. Now we need to see some pics.Kiss

    #354271

    Joaoavo
    Participant

    So here’s a pic of the tank as it turned out. The quality sucks but it’s the best I can do with this camera I have.

     

    http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e284/Joaoavo/874b2956-ea1e-411f-a668-7ab158762487_zpsrilwbnvj.jpg

    #354274

    george
    Participant

    Nice! I assume the reddish plants near the bottom anubias?

    What kind of leaves did you use?

    What type of filtration are you using?

    #354275

    Joaoavo
    Participant

    The plants are anubias (some barteri, coffefolia, nana), and I also have clumps of Cladophora aegagrophila to increase nutrient absorption. The filter I am using is a Eheim 2224 and those are oak leaves.

    #354279

    Byron Hosking
    Participant

    That is lovely.  I don’t know if you specifically want the apistogramma to spawn, but if yes, you might find the kuhli loaches will eat the eggs/fry.  Being nocturnal, loaches/catfish find cichlid eggs easy pickings after dark, at least in my experience.

    Byron.

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