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  • #354177

    andy rushworth
    Participant

    What a nice thread this is :) Balaji you are absolutely right about me ,I am very proud of you , the Chagunio look wonderful ,thanks for sharing .

    #354186

    Shovelnose
    Participant

    “Matt said:
    I don’t think that the role of the site should extend to altering current taxonomy, even if, as in this and many other cases, there are convincing reasons to do so.

    True but if you think about it, we do end up following pseudo-scientific classifications such as L Numbers, LDA Numbers etc. Wink

     

    “andyrushworth said:
    What a nice thread this is :) Balaji you are absolutely right about me ,I am very proud of you , the Chagunio look wonderful ,thanks for sharing .

     

    Hey Andy, thanks,  long time!

     

    This loach was collected along with the S.beavani and I have not been able to ID it down even to genus level. Embarassed

    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-doI8hBhgWsw/UxSTcy6a82I/AAAAAAAAMmk/IYEwMEghwdQ/s640/DSCN2733.JPG

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jc4WQwc_8cE/UxSThGaYrPI/AAAAAAAAMms/ozvLTvzBcdU/s640/DSCN2734.JPG

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xdXuyIrvuNY/UxSTrqr8gkI/AAAAAAAAMm0/aaYqnYinFMo/s640/DSCN2735.JPG

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gohWwufgBAA/UxSTwUbR_1I/AAAAAAAAMnE/oEdLXmhKK-A/s640/DSCN2738.JPG

    #354197

    Matt
    Keymaster


    @Shovelnose
    said:

    “Matt said:
    I don’t think that the role of the site should extend to altering current taxonomy, even if, as in this and many other cases, there are convincing reasons to do so.

    True but if you think about it, we do end up following pseudo-scientific classifications such as L Numbers, LDA Numbers etc. Wink

    Yep.Laugh

    That is a weird loach, somewhat reminiscent of certain Oxynoemacheilus spp. (not saying it is, of course)! Confused

    125.jpg

     Andy! Great to see you around the place!

    #354203

    Shovelnose
    Participant

    “Matt said:
    That is a weird loach, somewhat reminiscent of certain Oxynoemacheilus spp. (not saying it is, of course)! Confused

    I came across a few more similar looking loaches (poor pictures below) from another river system (Ganges Drainage). Would you say the caudal fin is weakly forked on all these specimens???? I was thinking on the lines of a Turcinoemacheilus sp.

     

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-iPT4l8TDl1U/VFHQCoCIvQI/AAAAAAAAN7s/r450SjCEBtk/s640/HK%2520022.jpg

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-442h6JFcyr4/VFHQgh0E8OI/AAAAAAAAN8E/cXTbJZaU1IU/s640/HK%2520025.jpg

    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HileXYXtcyQ/VFHQnfeHQvI/AAAAAAAAN8M/4bxo58JRReg/s640/HK%2520026.jpg

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BMV7jrQmKFU/VFHQpg6MQVI/AAAAAAAAN8U/2f9Bod4mU6g/s640/HK%2520027.jpg

    #354251

    Matt
    Keymaster

    I would say yes, weakly forked, and Turcinoemacheilus had crossed my mind, too.

    #354256

    Shovelnose
    Participant

    If it is indeed Turcinoemacheilus, it might be worth looking into as it doesn’t appear to be T.himalaya, which is the only recorded species of the genus in this region.

     

    I believe this is the ‘true’ Schistura savona.

     

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-XZk0UXYgSM0/VCqutFzx8bI/AAAAAAAANqo/MPExY7dT-wU/s640/DSCN3382.JPG

     

    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_WFMViqvhC0/VCqu9Ou_9oI/AAAAAAAANq0/CjtIWAayx64/s640/DSCN3391.JPG

    #354295

    Matt
    Keymaster

    Yeah, the addition of T. himalaya means that genus now has a pretty weird distribution.Confused

    Regarding S. savona, what is your opinion about the photos attached to our profile Balaji?

    #354309

    Shovelnose
    Participant

    I can’t see any outward differences frankly but I would wait for the opinion of one of the loach guys on board. Considering the wide distribution of this species, it could also be a complex as is the case with a lot of these banded Schistura.

     

    Collected these Lepidocephalichthys from the Ganges basin today.

     

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Sy-hqSifuDY/VPsOVnoarlI/AAAAAAAAOjk/VlAAfHlmO4M/s640/DSCN0105.JPG

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    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-pMVS7C0J8pw/VPsObSNEWUI/AAAAAAAAOkE/NyR7QS-2oqM/s640/DSCN0109.JPG

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-15JQ-G4_p3Q/VPsOgHjUYmI/AAAAAAAAOkc/rgHR0MHua2A/s640/DSCN0112.JPG

     

    The habitat.

     

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4BRIT252QhM/VPsO1ACfZtI/AAAAAAAAOls/Lw3Sz0L0TwI/s640/DSCN0128.JPG

     

    Most of the specimens were collected from vegetation close to the banks.

     

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d4va4gKRdEs/VPsO2U5QoWI/AAAAAAAAOl4/pe0GWBo2dss/s640/DSCN0129.JPG

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c2hGmlSmq-s/VPsO2p0b8UI/AAAAAAAAOl8/8MRNVkbHKFk/s640/DSCN0130.JPG

    #354310

    Thomas
    Participant

    For me it is L. berdmorei. Nice!!

    #354322

    Shovelnose
    Participant

    I was thinking L.berdmorei too but the distribution threw me off, there is one more Lepidocephalichthys found downstream of where this species was collected. A few horrible phone camera pictures are all I have presently.

     

    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eXqJZRif3K0/U8N_Jukg37I/AAAAAAAAM3k/X3Tasnrsrso/s800/WP_20140713_017.jpg

    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JqodenlhRAk/U8N_ZnagjSI/AAAAAAAAM38/8sLngwtBiDw/s800/WP_20140713_021.jpg

    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JqodenlhRAk/U8N_ZnagjSI/AAAAAAAAM38/8sLngwtBiDw/s800/WP_20140713_021.jpg

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yWoPiEEODG0/U8N_YEudk5I/AAAAAAAAM3s/KHLasGg7ijY/s800/WP_20140713_019.jpg

     

    Pictured here with P.mackenzie.

    #354328

    Thomas
    Participant

    They looks like the real L. annadalei :) The caudale fits very well. There is a second species that looks similar but it has a little bit another caudal pattern. But also the dark spot in the middle of the caudal fin.

    L_annandalei1.jpg

    #354329

    Shovelnose
    Participant

    Thanks for the ID Thomas. There were two other Lepidocephalichthys species I managed to collect up north. One was the ubiquitous L.guntea while the second species was more interesting. It seems to match the L.cf. annandalei you refer to and was collected from near the Nepal border (Ganges drainage again). Two specimens were collected and sadly, the fish bag fell into the river when I was collecting, so I don’t have pictures of this species. Confused

     

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Q3pJQX_RKxs/VQEgbjrvdvI/AAAAAAAAOus/PmGy_CkuqEs/s640/DSC_0082.JPG

     

    Female L.guntea.

     

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4mCDI5ud9lM/UjVOdWzpEAI/AAAAAAAALEI/juhFwmsf-x8/s640/DSCF5035.JPG

     

    The habitat, a small paddy field canal behind my home.

    #354330

    Thomas
    Participant

    The guntea looks more like a male to me. Females are more mottled.

    Thanks a lot of your work!

    #354331

    Shovelnose
    Participant

    @Thomas said:
    The guntea looks more like a male to me. Females are more mottled
    Thanks a lot of your work!

    No problem Thomas. Right you are, it is indeed a male, I mixed up spots and stripes. 

     

    Next comes one of my favourite genera, Botia. To be honestI haven’t kept many species as I primarily keep bagrids and all my tanks are “bottom heavy” as it is. I have kept B.dario ,B.almohrae  and these specimens I managed to collect. I collected only 2 Botia specimens in the two years I was there, I guess this is due to the nets I used (dip nets) more than anything.

     

    The smaller specimen.

    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--sUc4wt9jos/U-eVRIh-WqI/AAAAAAAANIM/vxXFM2gKGaU/s640/DSCN3067.JPG

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DKmixqeFhqs/U-eVS38uHUI/AAAAAAAANIU/QQmM97Y_UnQ/s640/DSCN3068.JPG

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WLAMJQ7VuEg/U-eWQIuzGCI/AAAAAAAANIo/wNDs2MCKSbY/s640/DSCN3070.JPG

     

    The larger specimen.

    https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Gu40fJwqGmY/U_ISPIfnMtI/AAAAAAAANYc/VyBgsqNK8Uc/s640/DSCN3264.JPG

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p3KBp-cbZyQ/U_ISuugIhgI/AAAAAAAANY0/Nx8zqkNzw3Q/s640/DSCN3266.JPG

    #354346

    Matt
    Keymaster

    Very nice selection of Lepidocephalichthys! Where was the Botia collected Balaji?

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