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June 7, 2008 at 2:51 pm #299515
Neal-DAParticipantHey all just picked up some wild caught angels
They were sold as altums but are the peruvian scalare’s (guy in the shop argued otherwise
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June 7, 2008 at 10:24 pm #306186
duncKeymasterMmm nice one Neal, how much did they set you back? Maculatus too? Awesome
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Sorry, bit off topic
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June 8, 2008 at 12:59 am #306194
MattKeymasterVery nice fish Neal. We had a group in at Tom’s last year. I’d go for a similar approach to yer wild caught Apistogramma first and then work from there. Very soft water, pH below 6 and maybe some leaf litter or peat fibre for the black water effect. It’s crazy but it might just work.
June 8, 2008 at 11:14 am #306214
David MarshallParticipantHey Neal-DA
If you visit the articles section of the Ryedale Aquarist Society website at http://www.ryedaleaquaristsociety.co.uk you will find ‘Angels at Christmas’ plus a reply article and these both give good ‘hints and tips’ for Angel breeding.
Regards David
June 8, 2008 at 11:22 am #306216
duncKeymasterAs far as I can see that article doesn’t specify whether or not wild angels were involved.
I was under the impression that breeding wild-caught Angels presented a tougher challenge than breeding captive-breds?
June 8, 2008 at 1:17 pm #306224
MattKeymasterI actually don’t think that the mass-bred angels you see everywhere can be referred to as P. scalare any more. The level of inbreeding and the fact that the fish being used for breeding are almost certainly many generations away from wild fish mean that their habits/water requirements etc. don’t resemble the wild fish at all. They’re even a different shape! When I get round to editing the angel profile in the knowledge base there will be two, Pterophyllum scalare and P. “scalare”. Common name for the second one would be “domestic angelfish” or something like that I suppose…
June 9, 2008 at 9:19 pm #306261
David MarshallParticipantHey
From what I am told the breeding of wild caught P. altum is extremely difficult whereas scalare from the wild can be bred without to many problems.
Yes the articles cover the Koi variety but the breeding hints and tips can be used for Angels which are either domestic or wild strains.
Regards David
June 10, 2008 at 2:49 pm #306268
Haji BadaruddinParticipantI was told that altum do best in deep tanks …… Saw a few years back some friends breeding them.In my opinion,the problem with altums that we have available here is that most of them die after arrival probably due to poor conditioning and packing.
June 10, 2008 at 3:29 pm #306273
MattKeymasterThey´re not so common and invariably in bad condition when they arrive here too, Haji. Most of the ones that come in as altum also seem to be wild scalare like Neal´s fish.
June 11, 2008 at 3:15 pm #306279
Neal-DAParticipantYes matt they are adult fish, really good size too, atleast 7″ top to bottom!
June 11, 2008 at 8:41 pm #306284
MattKeymasterSound very nice indeed mate
August 5, 2008 at 8:59 am #308110
Phill AustenParticipantQUOTE (Matt @ Jun 10 2008, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>They´re not so common and invariably in bad condition when they arrive here too, Haji. Most of the ones that come in as altum also seem to be wild scalare like Neal´s fish.August 5, 2008 at 2:43 pm #308126
MattKeymasterHi Phill, I doubt they even get P. altum here in Spain, the hobby here is weird. I was in England when I posted the message you quoted…
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